i just realized... 2016 turbo 4cyl CAMARO vs FRS/BRZ

[Shinchu]

yup. I'm going there.

Chevrolet is about to drop the 2016 and one of the powerplant options will be a turbo 2 liter four banger. yes, this has some hot rod camaro guys super pissed off. but chevy needs to keep the pony wars going and that ecoboost mustang is surprisingly amazing.

so where does that put the FRS in all this?
it all comes down to PRICE. i have been waiting to see how much a turbo camaro would cost. and on a whim i just googled it a minute ago.
just shy of $27,000.
thats not a whole lot more than an FRS is costing these days (for some reason?)

yes, i know, "dude a camaro is a fat ass beast of a car compared to the super-light FRS!"
im not all about drag racing, so i wont get into power to weight ratios. and i know weight is a huge factor in handling as well.
but i just cant stop thinking about how well a camaro could handle with half the cylinders missing... "could". i mean, all the missing weight might shift the balance so far to the rear, it has no grip up front and tun in suffers making understeer even worse than the 2010 version.
who knows. but i am REALLY curious to find out!
plus its got a turbo, adding power will be a piece of cake!
did i mention chevy put it on a crazy strict diet? rumor is 300 lbs lighter, on the V8 model! 4 cyl has got to be 400+ lighter than the current SS! hopefully... and yes i realize that still puts it about 1,000 lbs heavier than a twin.

its really coming down to the fact the lease on my accord is going to expire soon, and both the FRS and turbo camaro fall right into my sub-$30k budget. (if i could get closer to $30 i would also consider the focus RS coming soon, but... ford. bleh!)

i have been following the FRS since before it was a concept. back when we heard rumors on club4ag when moto was asking who would actually buy a "new" AE86 (most likely already feeling it out for tada san). this new 86 is really impressive, that it actually made it to production with most of the concept theories unscathed.

so i am very curious. i would love to see a shootout between the '16 camaro, and maybe if the timing is just right, if the planets are aligned... maybe the '17 FRS specs would be released and make it even more interesting?

ahhh the suspense is killing me!

what say you? (dont worry i am expecting biased opinions and my flame suit is still fully operational).

[strat61caster]

750 lbs

[fatoni]

i read that whole thing. dont.

[Slammedsteve]

the ecoboost stang looks better then the crapmaro

[chaoskaze]

Straight line muscle vs corner attck import >.>

^ Not even talking about power just the way suspension/car will be setup for.

Get ur idea right

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

Straight line muscle vs corner attck import >.>

^ Not even talking about power just the way suspension/car will be setup for.

Get ur idea right

For reals.


What's next? mclaren p1 gtr vs frs/brz?

Guys. 18 wheeler vs frs/brz.

[DarkSunrise]

Not sure I agree with the idea that Camaros can't turn, especially with the right handling package (i.e., 1LE or Z/28 configuration). They can definitely be made to turn and put up impressive lateral grip numbers in corners at the track.

They just won't feel like a lightweight RWD sports car due to the weight and size.

Whether that matters to you is entirely subjective. Personally I care less about laptimes than how a car feels at the track, but some people want to win their HPDE or have numbers to bench race with.

[Chad11491]

I would take an ecoboost over the camaro to be honest. I think ford quality is better than GM, who also want your car to be a licensed object.

Honestly though? It will probably be faster than an 86 in every way. Even the Miata is at this point. I would think the 86 would be a more fun daily though.

[Packofcrows]

Camaro is just gonna gain a wider audience. For semi enthusiast to real enthusiast who know about driving and feel, it will still be crap. For those who are car noob, the turbo 4cyl will be a dream come true.

Biggest car rivals i'm hearing from soon to be new car owners are the:

4cyl Camaro Turbo
Base Mustang
Base Corolla
SI Civic

and....

Hybrid Camry.

IMO none for 'true' driving. Just DD.

So, where would it place the twins at?

Same place it is atm. Maybe if the IDX or other Chevy RWD mini-coupe popped out, then the twins would get more pressure for new model....or discontinuation.

Look at what happened to the Mini Cooper 2dr coupe hardtop. It's a disappearing breed.

[EAGLE5]

Is anybody actually long-term happy with a Camaro? I can't imagine I would ever be.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Not sure I agree with the idea that Camaros can't turn, especially with the right handling package (i.e., 1LE or Z/28 configuration). They can definitely be made to turn and put up impressive lateral grip numbers in corners at the track.

They just won't feel like a lightweight RWD sports car due to the weight and size.

Whether that matters to you is entirely subjective. Personally I care less about laptimes than how a car feels at the track, but some people want to win their HPDE or have numbers to bench race with.

If you sent 25k on a camero , you not gonna get 1LE or Z/28 suspensions & nobody is gonna spent more then 10k to fix camero suspensions alone.

They will be upping the power of the turbo 4 first.

[industrial]

I don't know man. It's going to be tough to compare the Turbo Camaro, FRS, and Honda Accord V6. All around the same price but man that Accord is the fastest in the group.

[RandomDeception]

In my honest opinion this is a very fair comparison. Sometimes people just want a sporty-looking coupe. I for one was actually considering a 2015 Challenger SXT with their new 8 speed automatic transmission.

I think this has already been confirmed, but the fifth generation base Camaro supposedly shaved 200 pounds of weight into the sixth generation, though that might apply to the V6 model but I doubt there would be too much difference with the turbocharged 4 cylinder base Camaro.

Not saying Mustang is anything close to being light, but the sixth generation base model did put on approximately 200 pounds in weight in order to have an independent rear suspension, so I think the new Camaro might be lighter than that if only by a small margin. What surprised me was that Chevrolet chose to have the turbocharged 4 cylinder model as the "weak" base model and the cheapest version rather than how Ford priced and specked theirs as the midrange option between the V6 model and V8 model.

In the end, you can get a used FR-S like I did for much less than a new vehicle such as the newest generation of the Camaro.

[calmtigers]

seems like someone had some strong coffee this morning