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Old 11-24-2020, 09:25 AM   #57
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I hate boxers, but mostly due to the design being a pain in the ass to work on.
I'll give you that one. My Corvair had head gasket issues and I bet I had that engine in and out about 10 times. Got so I could pull the thing in minutes though.
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"where will it sit among the great 4cyl NA's?"

Absolutely nowhere, unless its leagues ahead of the current FA20 it's not going anywhere.

The chassis and back to basics concept will be appreciated down the line but I don't think the engines will.


OP I'm sorry you have a severe dose of rose tinted glasses.
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Head units change from region to region and even model to model. There is no single head unit common to every body. Makes it confusing as hell!
Ah.. I see. But I guess the way I perceived it was he might be saying they just stuck something in for now, but it may be updated once the actual car goes into production?
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I'll give you that one. My Corvair had head gasket issues and I bet I had that engine in and out about 10 times. Got so I could pull the thing in minutes though.
It's things like a spun rod bearing or even doing a quick refresh on the top end that take so long and annoy me. Any other engine it is just pull the heads and the oil pan. Not this split the block shit.
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Ah.. I see. But I guess the way I perceived it was he might be saying they just stuck something in for now, but it may be updated once the actual car goes into production?
Could be a temp. Won't really know who will get what until they send the regional specs out. Could even be all the same but that would be a first.
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It's things like a spun rod bearing or even doing a quick refresh on the top end that take so long and annoy me. Any other engine it is just pull the heads and the oil pan. Not this split the block shit.
But that alternator is nice and easy
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Alfa Romeo Alfasud boxer wasn't entirely popular either.
I have a preference for the inline Alfas.

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Where did you come up with 120? The current gen has 156 not 120. The next gen is said to be 184 so that is only a 15% increase. Very nice to have but certainly not earth shattering by any means.
I know. I'm talking what we commonly see at the wheel under the torque hole. Its so freaking annoying on a car that is pretty much the ultimate daily driver sports car (for the common man). Its right in the daily drive zone.

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It's things like a spun rod bearing or even doing a quick refresh on the top end that take so long and annoy me. Any other engine it is just pull the heads and the oil pan. Not this split the block shit.
Most of the chores on the 86 would be a breeze compared to the Corvair.


At least you don't have to move the spare tire.



And you can lift the engine out of the car instead of lifting the car off the engine!


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I know. I'm talking what we commonly see at the wheel under the torque hole. Its so freaking annoying on a car that is pretty much the ultimate daily driver sports car (for the common man). Its right in the daily drive zone.

The reality is that it had less of an impact than the graph would make you think. It was a minor drop for a fraction of a second when accelerating and meaningless if you kept in the right gear. Just don't shift up right in the middle of it and it is a none issue.
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"where will it sit among the great 4cyl NA's?"

Absolutely nowhere, unless its leagues ahead of the current FA20 it's not going anywhere.

The chassis and back to basics concept will be appreciated down the line but I don't think the engines will.


OP I'm sorry you have a severe dose of rose tinted glasses.
What about, the OG?

I love the 86/BRZ for things that aren't about the engine - I dont care if its rose colored, its a great car.

We havent seen the new engine yet, and I wont argue hard for the OG engine. But I think I have enough cause to be hopefull.

1 - it sure _sounded_ nice when he revved it in the video - When I think it flips to DI only - gets a real waaarmp going.
2 - Its got a fucking enormous amount of torque for a NA 4cyl, and from 2500 almost all of it look on tap to 7k. I really don't know what to expect, exciting.
3 - Statistically its among the greatest outputs recorded for a production car in its category. If this is a swan song for toyota/Subaru NA platform (the march of the hybrids!), then thats pretty cool.
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I know. I'm talking what we commonly see at the wheel under the torque hole. Its so freaking annoying on a car that is pretty much the ultimate daily driver sports car (for the common man). Its right in the daily drive zone.

You are using skewed data as well.
If we use the company provided ideal test data that is displayed on the dash the same as you are using the BRZ one then we get 136 ft.lbs at the bottom of the dip not 120.
Can't use the company data for one and an actual dyno for another and say it is an apples to apples comparison.


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The reality is that it had less of an impact than the graph would make you think. It was a minor drop for a fraction of a second when accelerating and meaningless if you kept in the right gear. Just don't shift up right in the middle of it and it is a none issue.
Personally disagree. Reality for me was that it was super annoying and I could absolutely feel that. Its not minor, its a large (and important) part of the rev range for daily driving.

It still felt good over 5-5.5, and it reved out after 7, so if you keep it on the boil its got the right amount of pull (for the car), but yeah frustrating.

If you dont feel it then I can only assume there is some hakone magic going on for you.
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What about, the OG?

I love the 86/BRZ for things that aren't about the engine - I dont care if its rose colored, its a great car.

We havent seen the new engine yet, and I wont argue hard for the OG engine. But I think I have enough cause to be hopefull.

1 - it sure _sounded_ nice when he revved it in the video - When I think it flips to DI only - gets a real waaarmp going.
2 - Its got a fucking enormous amount of torque for a NA 4cyl, and from 2500 almost all of it look on tap to 7k. I really don't know what to expect, exciting.
3 - Statistically its among the greatest outputs recorded for a production car in its category. If this is a swan song for toyota/Subaru NA platform (the march of the hybrids!), then thats pretty cool.
That "enormous amount of torque" is 15% higher than the original engine (excluding a 10% drop for a fraction of a second). Using just paper racing requirements that makes the engine 15% better than the old one.
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