HKS Supercharger V2 vs. Greddy Turbo Kit vs. Crawford Turbo Kit

[Ogremair]

Hello everyone, whilst the title explains between those 3, I want to fully build my 86 to produce at least 420whp, preferably at 500whp, whilst retain reliability, longevity, and maintain its DD'er characteristics. I adore the Japanese shiny high end quality products, but they don't (yet to confirm) achieve the goals am looking for. Whereas Crawford's Kit is what am looking for, but I still seek the help of the wise men of the forums . Please guys be rational upon your answers, and no trolling around.

I am also yet to check Greddy's Pricing,

Crawford has kindly sent me the pricing to fully build the car as the following:

Turbo kit – 6999.95
Turbo back exhaust – 1299.95
Forged pistons – 679.95
Forged rods – 949.95
Fuel system – 799.95
Short block install kit – 599.95
Axles – 999.00
Ecu tuning package – 1049.95
Clutch with flywheel – 817.95
Track Package – 799.95
Total of $14,400

For the HKS:

Oil Cooler Pro - 975
Head Gasket .7mm - 365
Camshaft Set - 1780
FA20 2.1L Stroker Kit - 3800
Legamax Exhaust - 2100
GT Supercharger pro kit - 3800
Total of $12,820

Pricing from www.HKSUSA.com
(Note. HKS pricing minus clutch, axles, tuning, fuel system and injectors)

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Ogremair

Hello everyone, whilst the title explains between those 3, I want to fully build my 86 to produce at least 420whp, preferably at 500whp, whilst retain reliability, longevity, and maintain its DD'er characteristics. I adore the Japanese shiny high end quality products, but they don't (yet to confirm) achieve the goals am looking for. Whereas Crawford's Kit is what am looking for, but I still seek the help of the wise men of the forums . Please guys be rational upon your answers, and no trolling around.

I am also yet to check Greddy's Pricing,

Crawford has kindly sent me the pricing to fully build the car as the following:

Turbo kit – 6999.95
Turbo back exhaust – 1299.95
Forged pistons – 679.95
Forged rods – 949.95
Fuel system – 799.95
Short block install kit – 599.95
Axles – 999.00
Ecu tuning package – 1049.95
Clutch with flywheel – 817.95
Track Package – 799.95
Total of $14,400

For the HKS:

Oil Cooler Pro - 975
Head Gasket .7mm - 365
Camshaft Set - 1780
FA20 2.1L Stroker Kit - 3800
Legamax Exhaust - 2100
GT Supercharger pro kit - 3800
Total of $12,820

Pricing from www.HKSUSA.com
(Note. HKS pricing minus clutch, axles, tuning, fuel system and injectors)

If you're in the UAE, this answer has as much to do with exchange rates and availability as it does quality.

The Dirham is pacing well against the Yen, but is exchanging at about 25% per USD.. so it's a tossup and a fiscal decision you will have to make based off of current rates.

Both are stout packages... the main question is (since you've explained your goals): What does your tuner recommend?

[Calum]

Could any of those kits even make 500 whp?

[industrial]

Why don't you give Full Blown a call? They also have a massive thread with lots of information. They are a one-stop shop that can set you up with a built engine, turbo, transmission, driveshaft, differential and axles to actually get 500whp down too. Unless you just want a nice dyno sheet. If I had lots of money and just casually wanted 500whp, that's who I'd call.

[Ogremair]

Originally Posted by Koa

If you're in the UAE, this answer has as much to do with exchange rates and availability as it does quality.

The Dirham is pacing well against the Yen, but is exchanging at about 25% per USD.. so it's a tossup and a fiscal decision you will have to make based off of current rates.

Both are stout packages... the main question is (since you've explained your goals): What does your tuner recommend?

Things is, I don't have a proper tuner that actually has a knowledgeable background on boxer engine, let alone subaru's. There are tuners who actually did tune subaru's, but with kits all ordered from stateside, and those who failed have made up their own kits. So basically, I need to do research on my own before I make a decision.

Originally Posted by Calum

Could any of those kits even make 500 whp?

I doubt the supercharger can with that specific kit, but the turbo's maybe, that's am asking for help from the wise men of the forum.

Originally Posted by industrial

Why don't you give Full Blown a call? They also have a massive thread with lots of information. They are a one-stop shop that can set you up with a built engine, turbo, transmission, driveshaft, differential and axles to actually get 500whp down too. Unless you just want a nice dyno sheet. If I had lots of money and just casually wanted 500whp, that's who I'd call.

True, no, am not really interested in dyno sheets, just want smoke ferrari owners with my little import, it would also be cool if people with their kit would chime in and help me out here, don't see a lot of reviews about their kit, except only in drag numbers and dyno runs.

[themajesticone]

I second looking into FullBlown as well. I think you'd have a better experience and would meet your power goals in a nice complete package

[kanundrum]

@mnsayer has been having his ptuning kit remotely tuned in Kuwait by Ptuning them selves fyi

[Dipstik-sportech]

I doubt any of those kits will make 500whp, and certainly won't on pump gas. Stay away from Crawford products, nothing but headaches. I'm known as a bit of a Full Blown pusher and with good reason, they make a great product and back it up with terrific customer support. I've had 0 issues with my setup and am not afraid to drive it anywhere. Ask @SmsAlSuwaidi

[Ogremair]

I really thank you guys for the enlightenment, at least now I have a clearer view of what am gonna do next . I see that also Full Blown's kit retains the factory crash beam, as aside to the other big turbo kits, which is a priceless modification, especially for a guy like me who loves speeding. first step is saving, of course

If anyone got anything else would like to share, please don't hesitate and join the thread, will still like to know your opinions too.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Umm my quick responses would be LS swap it or 2j it, especially since it’s going to pass Dubai's inspection. If you insist to stay true with the boxer, DO NOT BUILD YOUR MOTOR IN THE UAE . I just had a 40k dhs motor build blow up in less 1 month and 2 days. In addition it was built by supposedly one the best boxer builders there. Also a friend had a motor built at sub zero, and their workmanship was crap ( my personal opinion), and lastly tensai would never have my business as i had bad luck previously with them. Disregard the idea of a supercharger you will never get close to the power you want.

My recommendation would be a full long block shipped from the US, (Fullblown, MAP or Mazwrox). Turbo kit wise, id go with Ptuning (not the best) but would work the best especially for our weather there. You can PM me and I will be down to help you more as I have built two turbo 86’s now

[xuimod]

Don't install a front mounted turbo in the car in the hot ass Middle East. With a front mounted turbo, especially in an area that regularly gets high temperatures, you are going to be combating heat soak constantly.

With Superchargers you'll be combating heat as well but to a much lesser extent. Or you could get a turbo that is not front mounted (there's a few out there).

[2ndgenhachi]

While I'm far from an expert I've reached most of the fi kiss available. I'd agree with the comments about the ptuning kit. That will deff alleviate much of the heat soak you'd experience in your climate. But if u fall in love with another kit thermal coating may be an effective solution. It sounds as if turbo is going to be the way to go for your power goals as I've never heard of any supercharger reaching near 500. In regards to tuning check out delicious tuning. Their flash n go tune is set up for all major fi kits including the ptuning and full blown and of toy have access to e85 their flex fuel kit has some stellar reviews and well help cool the intake charge and misery importantly make more POWER!!! just my .02 best of luck on the build

[2ndgenhachi]

Excuse the typos. Predictive text took over. Haha

[aagun]

good luck on ur built . just remember the knock is jumps up with weather temps so do not use over boost at hot weather , first start with cooling system {water and oil} . if u got p tuning turbo it is OK. if u got front turbos be sure u have opened hood . and do not forget buy water and oil turbo system .