Another Everyday Driver GR86 Comparison Video has dropped..

[LRNAD90]

This time vs first gen Porsche Cayman..

[DriveDriftDogfight86]

Still can't take them seriously after them saying the 2022 GR86 6MT feels faster than the 2022 BRZ 6MT, and they wouldn't buy the BRZ.

[BRZ549]

Originally Posted by DriveDriftDogfight86

Still can't take them seriously after them saying the 2022 GR86 6MT feels faster than the 2022 BRZ 6MT, and they wouldn't buy the BRZ.

It would be interesting for members who have driven both GR86 and BRZ to say if they agree or disagree with Everyday Drivers' opinion on that.

[Lantanafrs2]

They are at high altitude and fuel quality could have affected the brz.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

They are at high altitude and fuel quality could have affected the brz.

Was the GR86 driven at a different location?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by BRZ549

It would be interesting for members who have driven both GR86 and BRZ to say if they agree or disagree with Everyday Drivers' opinion on that.

I can confirm the GR86 has a steep throttle curve in the first half of pedal travel and flattens out a bit in the second half of travel. I can also confirm that it is fairly straightforward to change that throttle curve with tuning software (at least on gen1) and that makes a pretty big difference in acceleration feel and predictability.

I cannot confirm whether the brz has a different, more linear throttle mapping or not. However a more linear throttle mapping would make the brz "feel" slower when just driving around town.

In the nonlinear case, lower pedal deflection values results in greater acceleration than linear, which makes it feel like the car has more to give when you are at 50% pedal deflection. That is because a 50% pedal deflection might be 75% of possible power output in the nonlinear case, while the linear map would have 50% power at 50% deflection. Neither is actually faster at 100% pedal deflection, but the early surge tricks our squishy human brains because we expect linearity, and around town we usually only use the first half travel.

[NoHaveMSG]

For reference, Chris Harris compared the first gen to a first gen Cayman 10 years ago. Curious for how they compare as Chris tends to do a good job of reviewing cars based on what they are.

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I can confirm the GR86 has a steep throttle curve in the first half of pedal travel and flattens out a bit in the second half of travel. I can also confirm that it is fairly straightforward to change that throttle curve with tuning software (at least on gen1) and that makes a pretty big difference in acceleration feel and predictability.

I cannot confirm whether the brz has a different, more linear throttle mapping or not. However a more linear throttle mapping would make the brz "feel" slower when just driving around town.

In the nonlinear case, lower pedal deflection values results in greater acceleration than linear, which makes it feel like the car has more to give when you are at 50% pedal deflection. That is because a 50% pedal deflection might be 75% of possible power output in the nonlinear case, while the linear map would have 50% power at 50% deflection. Neither is actually faster at 100% pedal deflection, but the early surge tricks our squishy human brains because we expect linearity, and around town we usually only use the first half travel.

Glad that this nonsense can be fixed with tune(s)

[Irace86.2.0]

I would drive the two vehicles and determine which one feels the best. The Cayman is going to be older and with far more miles, but besides the age and use differences, the Cayman has far, far, far less aftermarket support. It isn’t because the car is older either. FI options? Virtually none. Customization options? Virtually none. Search aftermarket tail lights and compare it to the 86. Parts are expensive. Servicing is harder and more expensive. Consumables are more expensive. It is heavier.

I would get the 86 unless I wanted a mild daily with headers, tune, carbon fiber accents and lowered on rims. I would probably do a 997 over the Cayman unless I could do the GTS 4.0, but gearing is still ehhh. If I owned a GR86 then I would do a Harrop SC again, CD009 and built motor to 450whp. A 718 Cayman S could do that all day with some bolt-ons and a tune, but the prior generations just don’t have the aftermarket support for anything serious.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

the Cayman has far, far, far less aftermarket support. ... Parts are expensive. Servicing is harder and more expensive. Consumables are more expensive.

I was quite surprised that they did touch on aftermarket support and claimed that the Twins and the Cayman are matched. As far as I am aware the Twins have among the most prolific aftermarket, rivaling Miatas (which have a 20 year head start). Plus the Porsche tax on maintenance, consumables and mods.

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I was quite surprised that they did touch on aftermarket support and claimed that the Twins and the Cayman are matched. As far as I am aware the Twins have among the most prolific aftermarket, rivaling Miatas (which have a 20 year head start). Plus the Porsche tax on maintenance, consumables and mods.

Porsche aftermarket is pretty solid. I wouldn't say it's anything on par with the twins but like you said the Porsche tax is real.

It's easy to spend a couple thousand on just a basic catback for a Porsche lol

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by BRZ549

It would be interesting for members who have driven both GR86 and BRZ to say if they agree or disagree with Everyday Drivers' opinion on that.

They thought tunning was different, but both cars perform same on Dyno, it's just throttle mapping. Crazy thing they said was ho and torque meets at different point on both cars which is not possible.

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Glad that this nonsense can be fixed with tune(s)

Which is nonsense?

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I would drive the two vehicles and determine which one feels the best. The Cayman is going to be older and with far more miles, but besides the age and use differences, the Cayman has far, far, far less aftermarket support. It isn’t because the car is older either. FI options? Virtually none. Customization options? Virtually none. Search aftermarket tail lights and compare it to the 86. Parts are expensive. Servicing is harder and more expensive. Consumables are more expensive. It is heavier.

I would get the 86 unless I wanted a mild daily with headers, tune, carbon fiber accents and lowered on rims. I would probably do a 997 over the Cayman unless I could do the GTS 4.0, but gearing is still ehhh. If I owned a GR86 then I would do a Harrop SC again, CD009 and built motor to 450whp. A 718 Cayman S could do that all day with some bolt-ons and a tune, but the prior generations just don’t have the aftermarket support for anything serious.

I generally agree with you. Plus the P-tax is significant. But my 981 base is really almost perfect stock for a DD or mostly street driven car. Maybe a tune to improve drivability and you are done. If you want more, the prices are just so high for small benefits.

As a toy for mods the twins offer more for sure.