Canadian Stock Allocations

[Rustyoid]

Originally Posted by RaceAddict

I don't want this to just sound like dealership-bashing, but I have a feeling that a lot of them these days are just throwing out random info and whatever happens, happens.

A friend of mine used to work at a Toyota dealership in southern Ontario, and lately there they are saying that the Corollacross is a 1 year waitlist. I find it hard to believe that an utterly mass-produced vanilla CUV has the same wait time as a low-production sportscar like the 86.

Another person I know ordered a Tundra hybrid last year (whenever they opened up the orders for that truck, can't remember exactly...) and only this spring got a notification that it was delayed and they couldn't give a precise date. So he opted for the non-hybrid and a few weeks later they confirmed that he'd get it June 16th. Monday of this week the dealer calls to say the delivery has been pushed out by Toyota to the first week of August.

So, what can you do?

Thats all 110% normal. Its on going supply chain issues. By the time information makes its way from suppliers, to factorys, to national management, to zone, to dealers. The information is already out dated.

Everything is f@cked right now lol. Its not the dealers (in most cases)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

In Canada they use an allocation system for all vehicles. Every "factory order" is actually a "sold order request"; a request to be allocated that particular package with the customers information attached

Factory plans a build list

Sends build list to national

National decides a sold order request fill rate % based on dealer sales plans and # of outstanding orders nationally

That % of unit are used to fill sold order requests (what most people are told are "factory orders")

Remaining units are given to zone

Zone allocates remaining scheduled builds as stock

Dealers get an ETA based on planned build date

Vehicle goes into production and ETA is adjusted

Vehicle is built, ETA adjusts,

Vehicle ships, ETA adjusts, etc




We used to tell people its a "factory order" as its so much simpler. But now with the current shortages we explain what is actually happening. Toyota builds what they can, and then matches them as best they can. No guarantee they build your request

Ya I should have said "factory order" not factory order. This is exactly how it was explained to me. It isn't really any different from the other manufacturers when you boil it down. Not many are like Corvette or such where they say "Oh John Smith just ordered a car with these specs let's get busy and build it"

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

Thats all 110% normal. Its on going supply chain issues. By the time information makes its way from suppliers, to factorys, to national management, to zone, to dealers. The information is already out dated.

Everything is f@cked right now lol. Its not the dealers (in most cases)

It trickles down all the way t the sub, sub, sub components for the parts.
We have almost hourly changes for our parts for the last year and a half.
9:00am customer - "We need 6,000 rotors next week"
We order 6,000 castings.
Our foundry orders enough material for 6,000 pours.
10:00am customer - "We now need only 1,000 rotors next week"
We roll back order to 1,000 castings.
Our foundry cuts back to enough material for 1,000 pours.
11:00am customer (in a panic) - "We need 10,000 rotors next week"
We franticly order 10,000 castings.
Our foundry says there is not a hop in hell of getting material for 10,000 pours since nobody is scrapping cars and they just can't get that much.
And then back down.
Back up
.
down

up

And this is one component of the thousands in a car!

[dawsonj87]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It trickles down all the way t the sub, sub, sub components for the parts.
We have almost hourly changes for our parts for the last year and a half.
9:00am customer - "We need 6,000 rotors next week"
We order 6,000 castings.
Our foundry orders enough material for 6,000 pours.
10:00am customer - "We now need only 1,000 rotors next week"
We roll back order to 1,000 castings.
Our foundry cuts back to enough material for 1,000 pours.
11:00am customer (in a panic) - "We need 10,000 rotors next week"
We franticly order 10,000 castings.
Our foundry says there is not a hop in hell of getting material for 10,000 pours since nobody is scrapping cars and they just can't get that much.
And then back down.
Back up
.
down

up

And this is one component of the thousands in a car!

I'm an engineer in the manufacturing industry-- this is exactly how it is. It's asinine how poor the communication is across the board and how disorganized manufacturing plants can be. The supply chain issues have only magnified these sorts of problems.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dawsonj87

I'm an engineer in the manufacturing industry-- this is exactly how it is. It's asinine how poor the communication is across the board and how disorganized manufacturing plants can be. The supply chain issues have only magnified these sorts of problems.

It is normally not nearly this bad. The problem right now is that the domino effect has just kicked in and you never know who can't make what for when so everybody else is juggling.

[Rustyoid]

TWO 2023MY RAVEN BLACK PREMIUM MT HEADING TO ONTARIO

0712937 42368 - Scarborough Toyota ZNBE6M - GR86 Premium MT AM - GR86 Premium MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-12 2022-08-18 No Scarborough Ontario

0712936 42076 - Toyotatown Lexus of London ZNBE6M - GR86 Premium MT AM - GR86 Premium MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-12 2022-08-18 No London Ontario

TWO 2023 PREMIUM AT

0712950 75040 - O'Regan'sToyota Halifax O'Regan's ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AM - GR86 Premium AT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-19 2022-08-25 No Halifax Nova Scotia

0712955 42379 - Kingston Toyota ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AM - GR86 Premium AT/Black 0WCH - TRUENO Blue 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-22 2022-08-28 No Kingston Ontario

[JusTheG]

Originally Posted by dawsonj87

I'm an engineer in the manufacturing industry-- this is exactly how it is. It's asinine how poor the communication is across the board and how disorganized manufacturing plants can be. The supply chain issues have only magnified these sorts of problems.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is normally not nearly this bad. The problem right now is that the domino effect has just kicked in and you never know who can't make what for when so everybody else is juggling.

I can echo what y'all both mentioned and even express a little more after being able to move on from engineering in an OEM. From what I could tell with Tier 2 and 3 OEM suppliers were how tough it was becoming to negotiate contracts. Suppliers needed confirmed orders and delivery dates YEARS before fulfillment simply because of how crazy day-to-day operations became. Semiconductor parts are now being evaluated for long-term deals with multiple vendors as the GM approach of having one standardized vendor for parts for better QC is not going to cut it when they had to wait 3-6 months for part fulfillment now.

What only works for most people is how the cash flow aligns with securing long-term deals. If customer products are longer than 5 years, then procurement would justify long term sourcing and be able to negotiate for more "consistent" targets. Otherwise, you face the same scenario Tcoat described for casting orders being all over the place and NO ONE wants to eat cost for manufacturing if they don't sell enough. There's going to be a transformation in the OEM supply chain from JIT and it will be sooner than later most suppliers are going to have to adapt or fade away.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

TWO 2023MY RAVEN BLACK PREMIUM MT HEADING TO ONTARIO

If only those 2 cars had been a lighter shade of no-colour-at-all....

[WRBRZk]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

TWO 2023MY RAVEN BLACK PREMIUM MT HEADING TO ONTARIO

0712937 42368 - Scarborough Toyota ZNBE6M - GR86 Premium MT AM - GR86 Premium MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-12 2022-08-18 No Scarborough Ontario

0712936 42076 - Toyotatown Lexus of London ZNBE6M - GR86 Premium MT AM - GR86 Premium MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-12 2022-08-18 No London Ontario

TWO 2023 PREMIUM AT

0712950 75040 - O'Regan'sToyota Halifax O'Regan's ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AM - GR86 Premium AT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-19 2022-08-25 No Halifax Nova Scotia

0712955 42379 - Kingston Toyota ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AM - GR86 Premium AT/Black 0WCH - TRUENO Blue 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-22 2022-08-28 No Kingston Ontario

So the 2023 GR86's will begin coming mid August? Do we expect the BRZ's to be around the same time or perhaps a few weeks earlier? Just waiting for my 2023 to ship.

[Rustyoid]

Originally Posted by WRBRZk

So the 2023 GR86's will begin coming mid August? Do we expect the BRZ's to be around the same time or perhaps a few weeks earlier? Just waiting for my 2023 to ship.

Realistically the computer generated ETAs are about 1 month behind.

Yes, Usually BRZ models are built ahead of the Toyota version

[WRBRZk]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

Realistically the computer generated ETAs are about 1 month behind.

Yes, Usually BRZ models are built ahead of the Toyota version

Sorry, what do you mean a month behind?

[Rustyoid]

Originally Posted by WRBRZk

Sorry, what do you mean a month behind?

Zone allocates remaining scheduled builds as stock

Dealers get an ETA based on planned build date

Vehicle goes into production and ETA is adjusted

Vehicle is built, ETA adjusts,

Vehicle ships, ETA adjusts, etc

[justinczt]

Whatever Toyota is doing isn’t working and needs to change.
As a customer it’s a very frustrating system and leaves people not knowing if they will ever get a car.

[WRBRZk]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

Thank you Rusty! This last push will kill me!