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TRDMAN · 03-17-2011, 11:56 AM

What is "KEEN LOOK FACE" and J-DESIGN FACTOR

NESW20 · 03-17-2011, 04:33 PM

hmm, i guess no one else cares about potential functional brake cooling ducts???

ichitaka05 · 03-17-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

hmm, i guess no one else cares about potential functional brake cooling ducts???

or CAI

NESW20 · 03-17-2011, 04:41 PM

doubtful that they would put that style vent/duct for an air intake. usually they'll just put some generic ducting behind the grill where it isn't visible. also, subaru air intakes are on the the other side of the car.

we should really look to see if there's another vent on the other side. if it's present on both sides, it's almost certainly brake cooling ducting.

ichitaka05 · 03-17-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

doubtful that they would put that style vent/duct for an air intake. usually they'll just put some generic ducting behind the grill where it isn't visible. also, subaru air intakes are on the the other side of the car.

we should really look to see if there's another vent on the other side. if it's present on both sides, it's almost certainly brake cooling ducting.

I'm just saying for after market option. Cuz if you're talking bout vents below the headlights, isn't that lil bit up there?

NESW20 · 03-17-2011, 07:19 PM

proof of vents on both sides:

now, it's hard to tell how open they really are, but usually when i see brake ducts, they're very low, so the duct needs to come up from the inlet. i fail to see any difference in bringing the duct down from the inlet to meet the rotor.

Ashybone · 03-17-2011, 08:08 PM

Either way you look at it so far it has more air flow then any mustang that I've seen in real life.

NESW20 · 03-17-2011, 10:56 PM

ha, yeah. to be fair, the new Boss 302 seems to be serious business.

now one reason i really think they're more functional than not is that they're not a huge styling cue. like, if toyota wanted to advertise that there are vents there, they would have made a bigger deal out of them, made them easier to see. this way, it almost seems like a functional afterthough, sort of like this:

"oh !@#$, we're gonna need to cool the brakes. we need brake ducts, where can we put openings in the front fascia without being too obtrusive?"

Dimman · 03-17-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20

ha, yeah. to be fair, the new Boss 302 seems to be serious business.

now one reason i really think they're more functional than not is that they're not a huge styling cue. like, if toyota wanted to advertise that there are vents there, they would have made a bigger deal out of them, made them easier to see. this way, it almost seems like a functional afterthough, sort of like this:

"oh !@#$, we're gonna need to cool the brakes. we need brake ducts, where can we put openings in the front fascia without being too obtrusive?"

He does say that parts of the redesign were based on driver feedback. Must've got a bit of fade on the track. Could be the fender vent is legit too, for cooling. I'm appreciating some of the re-design a bit more in that context. (production flat bottom would be sooooo awesome...)

Aki · 03-23-2011, 04:08 PM

Hoping the production version will be in between the first and second concept as far as boldness goes.

Fender vent could be for reducing air turbulence from front wheels, but doubt it. And even if it were functional, I'd still prefer having no vent at all. Looks like a tacky imitation of the E92 M3 vent.

Funny somebody mentioned Dave Marek (responsible for all the hideous Acura designs), the guy definitely isn't stylin'.

WingsofWar · 03-23-2011, 05:31 PM

All those vents look functional to me, attempted to see it visually.

Aki · 03-23-2011, 08:45 PM

If reducing turbulence from the wheels is the goal, then it's best to have the venting behind the wheel, instead of being that high up. Suppose it could be to vent the engine, but doesn't seem like a great place to put it. Considering vents often aren't functional even on like a BMW M, inclined to say it's completely aesthetic.

Dimman · 03-23-2011, 09:49 PM

Hood is best spot to vent engine compartment, cut them right where the low pressure zones form, and seal the bottom. Heat management AND lift reduction.

AaronCompNetSys · 03-24-2011, 02:27 AM

What do you guys think this is, an Italia?

03-17-2011, 04:33 PM	#44
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	hmm, i guess no one else cares about potential functional brake cooling ducts??? __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

03-17-2011, 04:41 PM	#46
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	doubtful that they would put that style vent/duct for an air intake. usually they'll just put some generic ducting behind the grill where it isn't visible. also, subaru air intakes are on the the other side of the car. we should really look to see if there's another vent on the other side. if it's present on both sides, it's almost certainly brake cooling ducting. __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

03-17-2011, 07:19 PM	#48
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	proof of vents on both sides: now, it's hard to tell how open they really are, but usually when i see brake ducts, they're very low, so the duct needs to come up from the inlet. i fail to see any difference in bringing the duct down from the inlet to meet the rotor. __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

03-17-2011, 08:08 PM	#49
Ashybone Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 97 Camry & 91 3000GT VR4 Location: new mexico (From Houston) Posts: 133 Thanks: 722 Thanked 45 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Either way you look at it so far it has more air flow then any mustang that I've seen in real life. __________________ God Bless Toyota. They can still make sports cars that actually run, Mitsubishi... Learn from them.

03-17-2011, 10:56 PM	#50
NESW20 2.1L 3SGTE Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: MR2 Turbo & Tacoma Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,248 Thanks: 29 Thanked 24 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	ha, yeah. to be fair, the new Boss 302 seems to be serious business. now one reason i really think they're more functional than not is that they're not a huge styling cue. like, if toyota wanted to advertise that there are vents there, they would have made a bigger deal out of them, made them easier to see. this way, it almost seems like a functional afterthough, sort of like this: "oh !@#$, we're gonna need to cool the brakes. we need brake ducts, where can we put openings in the front fascia without being too obtrusive?" __________________ 1991 MR2 Turbo - 2.1L high compression stroker 3SGTE 2006 Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road - All-Pro front bumper, Old Man Emu shocks, Old Man Emu HD front coils, All-Pro leafs 1990 240SX Coupe - sold 2008 Civic Si Sedan

03-17-2011, 11:56 AM	#43
TRDMAN Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: 08 Tacoma TRD OFFROAD Location: SEATTLE Posts: 137 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What is "KEEN LOOK FACE" and J-DESIGN FACTOR

03-23-2011, 04:08 PM	#52
Aki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: '96 beater Corolla Location: Cali Posts: 409 Thanks: 7 Thanked 32 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hoping the production version will be in between the first and second concept as far as boldness goes. Fender vent could be for reducing air turbulence from front wheels, but doubt it. And even if it were functional, I'd still prefer having no vent at all. Looks like a tacky imitation of the E92 M3 vent. Funny somebody mentioned Dave Marek (responsible for all the hideous Acura designs), the guy definitely isn't stylin'.

03-23-2011, 05:31 PM	#53
WingsofWar MODERATOR-SAMA Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Swagtron Scooter Location: Seattle Posts: 2,685 Thanks: 345 Thanked 1,561 Times in 524 Posts Mentioned: 81 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	All those vents look functional to me, attempted to see it visually. Attached Images __________________

03-23-2011, 08:45 PM	#54
Aki Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: '96 beater Corolla Location: Cali Posts: 409 Thanks: 7 Thanked 32 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If reducing turbulence from the wheels is the goal, then it's best to have the venting behind the wheel, instead of being that high up. Suppose it could be to vent the engine, but doesn't seem like a great place to put it. Considering vents often aren't functional even on like a BMW M, inclined to say it's completely aesthetic.

03-24-2011, 02:27 AM	#56
AaronCompNetSys Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Drives: 01' S2000; 05' WRX Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What do you guys think this is, an Italia? __________________

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