05-22-2019, 01:13 PM | #127 |
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but its ugly and they are asking a lot for a Toyota badge. Its competing with likes of C63, Mustang GT, Corvette, M2, Cayman (base) etc. Sold out means nothing nowadays, could be ploy to generate hype by marketers to have only small number made available at launch. I rather have a BRZ, even though it has less power. Its infinitely better looking.
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Comparing the price to that of Mustangs with their massive sales base and cheap versions that help differ the costs of the expensive ones is not even close to being realistic.
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Most critics of the new Supra probably have never even driven a STOCK Mark IV before. That thing was a bloated pig on steroids.. sporty, but not agile by today's track-ready standards. The engine was indestructible, but in stock form it was a GT car, mostly good at 1) cruising and 2) being fast in a straight line. |
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Car and Driver tested it vs. FD RX-7 (all hail), Porsche 968, 300ZX-TT, Corvette, and 3000GT-VR4. Granted some of those are also pigs relative to what I consider *real* sports cars, but the FD? That's the real deal at 2840 lb... Supra was 3480 lb., so not exactly a lightweight, but a bit lighter than the ZX-TT (3540 lb.) and a lot lighter than the massively-overweight 3860(!) lb. VR4 They ranked the Supra first overall, and rated it 10/10 for both "handling" and for "fun-to-drive", vs. 9/10 and 10/10 for the FD! I've never been a big fan of the MkIV Supra, but give it its due, it wasn't any slouch in the handling department... Chek it out: http://www.derekspratt.com/PDFs/Auto...ber%201993.pdf |
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05-22-2019, 06:22 PM | #132 |
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You're right that was a bit harsh about the mkIV. It just didn't do it for me when I drove it back then, but I am biased towards light-weight cars I can rev the snot out of in everyday driving. In that respect, I enjoyed my integra and mr2 more. My all-trac Celica was the worst of the bunch. And the BRZ blows all of them away in the fun-to-drive-everyday category. The RX-7 is the import unicorn I've never had the pleasure to drive unfortunately.
If the chasis & suspension of the new supra is as good as people are saying, I'd imagine a stripped-down 4-cylinder version of it would be perfect for me... and superior to all of those above. |
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One really encouraging sign in these reviews is that they all take place at corporate press events that include both the Supra and the 86 rather than simply spotlighting the Supra and relegating the 86 to noise in the background. They're not just marketing the Supra. They're marketing the sports car lineup. Not all manufacturers would do that for fear of taking the spotlight off the main attraction.
I think that's an encouraging sign that Toyota may still be pursuing the "Three Brothers" approach Tada discussed a few years back of offering a stable of sports cars in three market segments with three different price points. First, it bodes well for the future of the 86 if they're still willing to let the Supra sell 86s. And even though right now they only have two brothers out there on the circuit, it's also an encouraging sign that the original marketing strategy Tada talked about is not dead, so maybe a smaller $20K sports car is still a possibility as a third brother. |
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I have my doubts that a 3rd version will be much cheaper. The 86 already gets hounded for having a low end interior. Personally, I don't get what all the fuss is about, as my brz interior is one of the nicest places I've driven from.
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The S-FR concept had an even simpler interior than the BRZ/FRS in concept form, didn’t even have navigation—it kinda looked like a modern s2000 interior imo, no distractions. As long as Toyota kept a potential “third brother” simple and clean, I don’t think they would get too many complaints, especially in the sub $20k range. Edit: but yeah if they only made a third sports car a bit cheaper than an 86 and made the interior super cheap, it would cause issues. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Supra will always be Toyota's top tier modern sports car. This way, the new Supra may appeal to the Toyota sports car fan, and possibly the BMW sports car fan. Maybe Toyota cleans up, and sells more then expected….maybe. Either way, Toyota is able to price the new Supra at a certain level, due to BMW helping with initially offsetting costs (cost of engine / tranny and electronics. I'm sure Toyota has an agreement with BMW, so that BMW will get paid, paid for their part of the project / production. This was all planned out, years ago. As a consumer, you either buy into it or you don't. We'll see what prices are at in July-Aug into Fall time , but at this point in time it's all speculation as to what prices will be the first year. I can think of a lot of different ways to spend $55-65k , not just on certain cars , but on other things in life.
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IF the 86 covers the low end (and if they cant really get anything cheaper than the 86), the Supra covers the high end (so to speak), then a "different" approach is likely the way to go with that, which imo makes the MR2 the most likely car to be resurrected. a mid engine 2 seat roadster/coupe at its own price point could find a niche, as long as they don't price it outrageously. A lotus elise lite for the masses (much like how a 2ZZ-GE swapped MR2 spyder was touted as) |
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Speaking of taking some of the Supra's spotlight though, did you see this review of the Supra vs. 86? Some sibling rivalry going on here... [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQo0tZ5Jmg[/ame]
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