Hoosier A7 lap times vs first 3 heat cycles?

[Westen86]

Could a tuned NA twin stay with a base Boxter or Cayman on track? Lets say 200tw tires on both.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ZDan

My front bearings were done after 2018 season, seven 2-day events. Replaced for free under warranty! My new setup should be less hard on the front bearings though I think. With 1.25" lowering and ~0.75" more bump travel lost to radial bearing in Raceseng camber plates, I was riding the outside front bump stop every turn. New setup with Bilsteins = way more front bump travel feels a LOT better and should be easier on front bearings, I hope?

I have been through 5 front hubs in 4 years. I think they don't handle high lateral loads well. 4 of my fronts have been right sides, most of the tracks I run are CCW.

[TunaNoCrust]

Originally Posted by ZDan

987?
The 981 Cayman S I drove at Watkins Glen and at NHMS was on Ohlins coilovers, and it would "hunt around" under hard braking and actually it gave me the "ICE mode" thing going into 3 at NHMS, I had to take the exscape road. For some reason I forgot about that when I was driving 981 at Palmer the other day!

Hunt around as the car is moving laterally while under heavy braking? And you can feel it in the steering wheel? Mine would do that at Thompson into 1.

Originally Posted by ZDan

987?
My front bearings were done after 2018 season, seven 2-day events.

Saturday was my 14th track day But only at 7,000 miles.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Westen86

Could a tuned NA twin stay with a base Boxter or Cayman on track? Lets say 200tw tires on both.

Depends on the track, but generally a 987 base is going to be faster I think.
I ran BRZ day 1 and '11 base Cayman day 2 at Thomspon and Palmer last year, was only 0.4 sec quicker with the Cayman at Thompson on a very hot day, but 3 seconds quicker at Palmer. At WGI I did a 2:14 something in the Cayman last year vs. 2:18 with the BRZ in 2018.

I'm not tuned, but I doubt that a 93-pump tuned BRZ would be able to run with a 987 base at most tracks...

[TunaNoCrust]

Originally Posted by Westen86

Could a tuned NA twin stay with a base Boxter or Cayman on track? Lets say 200tw tires on both.

I would say depends on the track...and the driver.

Having owned a Cayman S as well as my 86, my 86 has beaten nearly all my Cayman's previous bests.

However, I attribute this more to me feeling more comfortable pushing the 86 towards the limits than I did in the Cayman, plus more experience gained since the Cayman.


Although somebody like Dan, at Palmer I would bet they would be pretty close. However, at WGI, I would say the Cayman would win hands down.

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by Westen86

Could a tuned NA twin stay with a base Boxter or Cayman on track? Lets say 200tw tires on both.

It depends on what you mean by tuned NA. Tires, exhaust and tune, suspension? Dont think so. Removing some weight and adding some aero on top of that? Sure it can, it can be faster even.

[Westen86]

Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

It depends on what you mean by tuned NA. Tires, exhaust and tune, suspension? Dont think so. Removing some weight and adding some aero on top of that? Sure it can, it can be faster even.

Yea, 195whp, Tarmac 2 coilovers and 245, 200tw tires. I guess the basic comparisons would be skidpad and braking numbers.

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by Westen86

Yea, 195whp, Tarmac 2 coilovers and 245, 200tw tires. I guess the basic comparisons would be skidpad and braking numbers.

Yeah no, that wouldnt be enough. Assuming the porsche is in the same tire, the 100kg difference in weight between the two is not enough to offset the massive advantage the porsche will have with almost double the power. You could make the brz corner just as well or even better, but overall laptimes the porsche should always take it with only those mods on a brz/86.

[Westen86]

I wonder if Best Motoring did this comparison already.

[Goingnowherefast]

Originally Posted by Westen86

Could a tuned NA twin stay with a base Boxter or Cayman on track? Lets say 200tw tires on both.

At an HPDE where there's a HUGE range in driver skill, sure. Hell I've gotten passes on R35 GTR's, and a few GT2's during HPDE's. On an actual competition day, where every driver is either a licensed comp driver or at the least a experienced driver, no. The Cayman/Boxster will be quicker given an equal skill driver.