Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

[Goodguy889]

Well they called today and ordered a new ecu which is on back order for 3 weeks.... Let the wait begin.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by HATED1

Official Fix as of 09/24/2012 for code P0019

So my car pulled a check engine light and traction control light today for the second time in 5 days. Took it to the dealership, pulled the code, new ECU is on it's way. Code cleared, drove home. 2,8xx miles on the ODO.

Call scion and get a case started. In every case so far scion is covering a loner while the car is waiting for parts. The generall consensus is you shouldn't be driving the car.

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by Sean K.

Ya, but conversely.....the forum isn't very representative of the overall market, so 100 cars out of what's on the forum is a bigger percentage than it might first appear.

The Subaru comes with a 5 year/60K powertrain.....but the warranty we got is bumper to bumper for 5/100K. An ECU wouldn't be covered under powertrain and if $2300 is the price, it would SUCK to pay that out of pocket.

Sean

Why not?

[DrewZ926]

vin : 7074xx
location: TN

Just figure i would add to the list here. These problems didn't start until a little over 1k miles. The idle would just dip a bit but it never triggered a CEL. The car now has 1,800~ miles and it's getting worse.

CEL comes off and on along with the slip light. Rough idle of course, but i have noticed that if the slip light comes on the idle smoothes out instantly. There is definately a power loss as well at times, and usually it's when the slip light does come on.

The car is the 6AT and i noticed when the CEL and/or slip light is on the transmission is very clunky. When you slow down it will bang into 2nd gear right before you stop. It won't rev match using the paddle shifters either. (i'm guessing it does it normally?)

I've scanned the car and code P0019 popped up.

The car will be taken to the shop this week and i will follow up with what happens.

[Sean K.]

Originally Posted by Ninjin

This is off-topic, but...

I don't know your situation but it sounds like you went to Camelback Subaru (they called me last week because there was an unspoken for Premium MT) and they traded with Peoria Subaru. Those Peoria guys were asking for a $2,000 markup on their website, I wonder if your dealer had to hand over some cash to grease the wheels with them. Typically 45 minutes of a low-ranking guy's time to drive across town and back does not cost $1500. Nor would doing it on a transporter.

No, this vehicle was in Glendale, CA....and the dealer there was asking $7K over MSRP when I called a few days prior to my dealer trading him.

[Sean K.]

Originally Posted by Cade01

Not to mention that with Scion's Pure Price, dealerships can get in trouble for making up their cars from what I understand. I am going to stand by what I said, if they won't give it to you for Scion's price, just walk. And maybe let a Scion rep know what they are doing.

It's a Subaru....they don't have "pure price". Is that like a "no haggle"?

[Sean K.]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Why not?

If it ain't bathed in an oil bath....it ain't considered "powertrain" under most company's policies. Though I do completely understand that one could make the argument that the engine can't run without the ECU.....but then it's going to come down to the benevolence of the dealer or your willingness to push the issue with the factory rep. There are a whole host of electrical and computer components a car cannot start/run without that aren't considered "powertrain" by most warranties.

In a case such as the CEL on the FRS and BRZ then I doubt you'd have to argue it b/c of the problems already showing up.....but down the line, let's say this is a tolerance issue that may not develop on some cars until past the 36K mile point, it may be a big hassle and expensive repair bill. I'm not saying that's definitely the case....just that it could be.

HTH,
Sean

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by Sean K.

If it ain't bathed in an oil bath....it ain't considered "powertrain" under most company's policies.

HTH,
Sean

I'd like to see the exclusion in writing. I don't believe you are correct.

[dabocx]

Have rough idle for the past 2k miles but no CEL. Today however the car bogged on a stop light. Tried to take off as normal and car didnt respond, gave more gas and the car moved after about 5 seconds.

Is there any point in taking it in to the dealer right now? Theres no official fix or TSB so ill basically be going in to argue with my dealer or waste my time with no responsive fixes?

Im not stock either and while i can flash back to stock i hope my dealer isnt a idiot and blames this on my exhaust

[Cade01]

Originally Posted by Sean K.

It's a Subaru....they don't have "pure price". Is that like a "no haggle"?

Yep the price is what it is, they won't lower it, but they aren't supposed to raise it either.

[Sean K.]

Originally Posted by Marrk

I'd like to see the exclusion in writing. I don't believe you are correct.

I don't have my paperwork yet. Do you have the FRS? Look at yours. Maybe Toyota's warranty is different than Subaru's. Someone stated Toyota had a 100K mile warranty on powertrain....Subie's was only 60K.

[TurnOne]

Originally Posted by Marrk

I'd like to see the exclusion in writing. I don't believe you are correct.

Looks covered to me....
http://a230.g.akamai.net/7/230/83646...ranty_2013.pdf

Covered:

Engine
Cylinder block and head and all
internal parts, timing gears and
gaskets, timing chain/belt and cover,
flywheel, valve covers, oil pan, oil
pump, engine mounts, turbocharger
housing and all internal parts, super
charger housing and all internal parts,
engine control computer, water pump,

fuel pump, seals and gaskets.

Transmission and Transaxle
Case and all internal parts, torque
converter, clutch cover, transmission
mounts, transfer case and all internal
parts, engine control computer, seals

and gaskets.

Rear-Wheel-Drive System
Axle housing and all internal parts,
propeller shafts, U-joints, axle shafts,
drive shafts, bearings, supports, seals

and gaskets.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty does not cover damage
or failures resulting directly or
indirectly from any of the following:

>

Fire, accidents or theft

>

Abuse or negligence

>

Misuse — for example, racing or

overloading

>

Improper repairs

>

Alteration or tampering, including

installation of non-Scion Authorized
Accessories

>

Lack of or improper maintenance,

including use of fluids other than
those specified in the Owner’s
Manual

>

Installation of non-Scion Authorized

Parts

>

Airborne chemicals, tree sap, road

debris (including stone chips), rail
dust, salt, hail, floods, wind storms,
lightning and other environmental
conditions

>

Water contamination

This warranty also does not cover the
following:

Tires
Tires are covered by a separate
warranty provided by the tire
manufacturer. See page 27.
Normal Wear and Tear
Noise, vibration, cosmetic conditions
and other deterioration caused by
normal wear and tear.

WARRANTY

[Sean K.]

https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2012.html

Here's the link for 2012 (couldn't find a 2013).....

Powertrain Coverage Components

Engine
Engine block and all internal parts
Cylinder heads and valve trains
Oil pump, oil pan
Timing belts or gears and cover
Water pump
Flywheel
Intake and exhaust manifolds
Oil seals and gaskets

[TurnOne]

Originally Posted by Sean K.

I don't have my paperwork yet. Do you have the FRS? Look at yours. Maybe Toyota's warranty is different than Subaru's. Someone stated Toyota had a 100K mile warranty on powertrain....Subie's was only 60K.

Can't speak for Toyota, but Scion clearly states 60K or 60 months.

http://a230.g.akamai.net/7/230/83646...ranty_2013.pdf

Powertrain Warranty

This warranty covers repairs needed to
correct defects in materials or
workmanship of any component listed
in the next two columns and supplied
by Scion, subject to the exceptions
indicated under “What Is Not Covered”
on pages 13-14.
Coverage is for 60 months or

60,000 miles, whichever occurs first.