BS or NOT? Subaru Concept at Geneva to be skeleton only

[Hachiroku]

Originally Posted by Rome

LOL, thanks I thought so, I will just continue to lurk from now on.

Just realized that's the Impreza Concept isn't it?

Yessir

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by Rome

LOL, thanks I thought so, I will just continue to lurk from now on.

Just realized that's the Impreza Concept isn't it?

you get a +1 for being awesome.

[dilly-o]

on the NASIOC forum, Subaru of America makes occasional cameo appearances, such as the one linked below. this confirms that there will only be the skeleton/drivetrain at Geneva. very disappointed. hopefully between subaru and toyota next week we can piece together a few more bits of the puzzle.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=885

[nate89]

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[Aki]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I know about car cycles, my only gripe is Toyota has created a second body yet Subaru doesn't even have one yet and they both started working on them the same time. We have seen the mis-matched body now for a good two years testing.

The thing to keep in mind is that just because Subaru or any other car company doesn't release a concept at an autoshow, doesn't mean they have nothing behind closed doors.

You'd be surprised how far in advance the designs get pinned down.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by dilly-o

on the NASIOC forum, Subaru of America makes occasional cameo appearances, such as the one linked below. this confirms that there will only be the skeleton/drivetrain at Geneva. very disappointed. hopefully between subaru and toyota next week we can piece together a few more bits of the puzzle.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=885

Really? Actually, I'm really happy about that. We have only seen shell of FT86c and never actually seen inside design (suspension, drivetrain & etc), so this helps to see how FT86c gonna be setup. Suvie ver & Toyo ver is prob using same layout, so we can guess how FT86c gonna have and don't have.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by nate89

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Ok. So
a) Why is the Chief engineer and designer a Toyota guy

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b ) If they are telling the truth, what the fuck is it exactly that Toyota are doing?

[shadowa00]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Ok. So
a) Why is the Chief engineer and designer a Toyota guy

and

b ) If they are telling the truth, what the fuck is it exactly that Toyota are doing?

I'm pretty sure that the ft86 will be a Toyota's exterior designed shell with the heart(engine/drivetrain) of a Subaru.

Well what's Toyota doing? The exterior and the interior.
What's Subaru doing, the important stuff, engine/drivetrain.

[NESW20]

i was hoping this would be a more in-depth collaboration, but that remains to be seen. i'm really interested what sort of boxer it has, especially head design.

[Dimman]

NASIOC has gotten insider info before, for the STI sedan for example mods and/or admin were invited to a special press conference for pics and such.

But the quoted thread here doesn't seem to be any different than our speculation threads. If NASIOC got another special invite it would be a huge news thread with pics and such.

I don't know if the 'SOA Blog' member is legit, especially with stuff like this:

Yes, chassis and running gear. The objective in Geneva is to let the world understand we are in charge of engineering on this car.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by shadowa00

I'm pretty sure that the ft86 will be a Toyota's exterior designed shell with the heart(engine/drivetrain) of a Subaru.

Well what's Toyota doing? The exterior and the interior.
What's Subaru doing, the important stuff, engine/drivetrain.

I find that very hard to believe, which is why I think that guy is full of shit. Tetsuya Tada is chief engineer/designer on the car and he is a Toyota employee. While I'm sure some ppl on here would love to believe that drivel just so more hate to Toyota can be fueled, I think that info should be taken with a tablespoon of salt.

Originally Posted by NESW20

i was hoping this would be a more in-depth collaboration, but that remains to be seen. i'm really interested what sort of boxer it has, especially head design.

I don't mind the extensive use of subaru parts, but fuck em all to hell if I can't have Toyota putting the stuff together. Toyota has far more experience building FR sports cars than Subaru does, and while I admire their engineering ability, I don't want a Subaru with Toyota badges. I want a Toyota car with Subaru parts, thank you very much.

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I find that very hard to believe, which is why I think that guy is full of shit. Tetsuya Tada is chief engineer/designer on the car and he is a Toyota employee. While I'm sure some ppl on here would love to believe that drivel just so more hate to Toyota can be fueled, I think that info should be taken with a tablespoon of salt.




I don't mind the extensive use of subaru parts, but fuck em all to hell if I can't have Toyota putting the stuff together. Toyota has far more experience building FR sports cars than Subaru does, and while I admire their engineering ability, I don't want a Subaru with Toyota badges. I want a Toyota car with Subaru parts, thank you very much.

SOA Blog has repeatedly been proven legitamite on NASIOC.

And it's been quite clear from the very start of the project that Subaru is responsible for the chassis and drivetrain engineering (with Toyota adding some input). Toyota, in return, is head of modeling, interior, and quality control.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

SOA Blog has repeatedly been proven legitamite on NASIOC.

And it's been quite clear from the very start of the project that Subaru is responsible for the chassis and drivetrain engineering (with Toyota adding some input). Toyota, in return, is head of modeling, interior, and quality control.

+1

Im actually surprised that this topic is being brought up, I thought it was old new and common knowledge on this forum already?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

SOA Blog has repeatedly been proven legitamite on NASIOC.

And it's been quite clear from the very start of the project that Subaru is responsible for the chassis and drivetrain engineering (with Toyota adding some input). Toyota, in return, is head of modeling, interior, and quality control.

I'll take your word for it then.

Not a big fan of the drama/BS on NASIOC so I don't spend too much time there. Pet peeve of mine was the big brake sticky by Davenow and how it was full of incorrect and incomplete info, with him editing and backtracking (I posted under 'Burnman' there). If a 'sticky' has like 9 pages of debate, argument and needed extensive editing, maybe it shouldn't have been stickied...

If the 'SOA Blog' is legit, that is good for me. The implication being that it WILL come to North America as a Subaru, so if Toyota NA drops the ball with the Scion thing, I have an alternative.

Still wondering why Subaru would be in charge of the RWD platform when Toyota clearly has the more experienced engineers (LFA). Also you can't really say it's been 'clear' that Subaru is running the show from the start when almost all the press is been on the FT86.