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Old 09-28-2021, 11:04 AM   #155
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Cmon Matt hurry up we wanna see that review!!!!
In the patreon video TheSmokingTire just put up he talks about the BRZ they are reviewing. He says it is basically identical to the GR86, he couldn't even tell you any differences between the two.

He got the limited with PS4s, and said an M2 comp was trying to keep up with him in the canyons and could not. He did say that he wasn't sure of the driving skills of the person in the M2.

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They talk about it for a few minutes, would post it if I could. They speculate that it has more power than the published numbers.
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Old 09-28-2021, 12:00 PM   #156
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In the patreon video TheSmokingTire just put up he talks about the BRZ they are reviewing. He says it is basically identical to the GR86, he couldn't even tell you any differences between the two.

He got the limited with PS4s, and said an M2 comp was trying to keep up with him in the canyons and could not. He did say that he wasn't sure of the driving skills of the person in the M2.

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"I was incredibly impressed in the canyons with the pace"
"They fixed the engine. The engine is good!"
"the power was great"
"a very impressive product"

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"I wish there was lumbar support"
"it needs knee pads"

They talk about it for a few minutes, would post it if I could. They speculate that it has more power than the published numbers.
It seems like that might be the case based on Savagegeese's GR86 review. Do we know if the BRZ was a production car? I'm hoping these cars don't have a hopped up tune for the reviewers.
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It seems like that might be the case based on Savagegeese's GR86 review. Do we know if the BRZ was a production car? I'm hoping these cars don't have a hopped up tune for the reviewers.
That's the dyno they refer to when they are talking about it. They don't seem surprised and speculate that the published numbers are a 'worst case scenario' output.
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Old 09-28-2021, 01:09 PM   #158
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He got the limited with PS4s, and said an M2 comp was trying to keep up with him in the canyons and could not. He did say that he wasn't sure of the driving skills of the person in the M2.
No way to be faster than an M2 comp. It should be related to the driving skills of the specific person. We had a member here with a BRZ with full exhaust and E85. The car was giving on the dyno 198rwhp/168rwtq. He switched after to an M2 comp car and he was saying to be the next logical step after the BRZ. This M2 has a detuned version of the M3/M4 engine outputting 410+hp.
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No way to be faster than an M2 comp. It should be related to the driving skills of the specific person. We had a member here with a BRZ with full exhaust and E85. The car was giving on the dyno 198rwhp/168rwtq. He switched after to an M2 comp car and he was saying to be the next logical step after the BRZ. This M2 has a detuned version of the M3/M4 engine outputting 410+hp.
Absolutely. I think that's what Matt thought as well, that's why he immediately said the bit about the driving skills of the person in the M2.

I think the takeaway here is that it's impressive that it is even possible to make that comparison. In a slower car the M2 comp would wipe the floor with you, even with a novice driver.

EDIT: Keep in mind this is in the canyons where cornering speed is much more important than power numbers. In my old FRS the cornering speeds were unbelievable after I put wider sticky tires on it.
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Absolutely. I think that's what Matt thought as well, that's why he immediately said the bit about the driving skills of the person in the M2.

I think the takeaway here is that it's impressive that it is even possible to make that comparison. In a slower car the M2 comp would wipe the floor with you, even with a novice driver.

EDIT: Keep in mind this is in the canyons where cornering speed is much more important than power numbers. In my old FRS the cornering speeds were unbelievable after I put wider sticky tires on it.
~800lb advantage in the canyons is pretty massive even if the M2C has double the power.
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~800lb advantage in the canyons is pretty massive even if the M2C has double the power.
It may be somewhat massive, but that power and more than double the torque heading up an incline is going to have a significant advantage. The twists and turns is where the weight has a good advantage of course. Either way, it is still impressive as @Pete said. But with a couple professional drivers, I am sure the M2 would put the twin to shame with little effort.
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Driver skill, willingness to push, and tires. Have to equalize those to make any kind of real comparison. But yeah I’d expect once those are factored in the m2c would be much faster.
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Old 09-28-2021, 02:25 PM   #163
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It may be somewhat massive, but that power and more than double the torque heading up an incline is going to have a significant advantage. The twists and turns is where the weight has a good advantage of course. Either way, it is still impressive as @Pete said. But with a couple professional drivers, I am sure the M2 would put the twin to shame with little effort.
I agree. Most people in the canyons are not at Matt's experience level and probably don't have the confidence to push a car like that close to its limits on the street. It's hard to tell how quick he goes in his POV videos but it is pretty impressive.
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~800lb advantage in the canyons is pretty massive even if the M2C has double the power.
Yep. Last time I was up on the Angeles Crest Highway, I met up with a group of people. A C5 Vette built for the Tail of the Dragon, my car, 5.0 PP2 S550 Mustang, F87 M2, anddddd a stock FRS with sticky tires of some kind (can’t remember).

The car that ended up leading was the FRS, and he was pulling on me in the corners along with the other cars in the group.
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Driver skill, willingness to push, and tires. Have to equalize those to make any kind of real comparison. But yeah I’d expect once those are factored in the m2c would be much faster.
This 100%, it's very hard to learn the limits of the M2C if you don't have access to a track. The HP is great, but. you also reach ridiculous speeds very quickly which makes learning on the street challenging.
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I keep checking Matt's channel each day. Really want to hear his take after having the car for a week.
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I keep checking Matt's channel each day. Really want to hear his take after having the car for a week.
On the podcast yesterday he mentioned that the BRZ video would be up in a couple of weeks. I don't know what the time requirements are for making and editing a video, but it seems like a long time to me lol. I am also eager to see it.
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Absolutely. I think that's what Matt thought as well, that's why he immediately said the bit about the driving skills of the person in the M2.

I think the takeaway here is that it's impressive that it is even possible to make that comparison. In a slower car the M2 comp would wipe the floor with you, even with a novice driver.

EDIT: Keep in mind this is in the canyons where cornering speed is much more important than power numbers. In my old FRS the cornering speeds were unbelievable after I put wider sticky tires on it.
If its one teeny thing I want to nitpick about Matt's reviews is that he tends to bomb around canyon roads almost primarily.

Please note, I am NOT saying that he is being irresponsible but he's always finding some sort of traffic versus on the track which we'd get a more thorough understanding. That said, Matt is a very capable driver too so I trust his commentary even on street roads but the M2 part, like he said, would be HEAVILY asterisk'ed due to driver skill on the BRZ's part.

The twin chassis' were always their immense strong point and now with Gen2, they got ever so slightly better even. And better yet, the chassis is a truly dedicated one whereas most others aren't or have to be compromised for other models (eg: Miata is a convertible, CTR is still a Civic, etc.).

Loving what Subie and Toyota have done here. Kaizen indeed.
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