Likely the first FA2/4 hybrid incoming

[shr133]

I'm also looking to do a FA24 swap, so far the biggest hurdle seams to be the crank sensor. I know they are different but is the crank plate that much different? Not sure if the ecu will read it or not... But someone did an Assent 2.4 swap and turbo into a crosstrek and used a wrx ecu to tune it up to 500hp so maybe it should be fine....

[FrickingReallySlow]

Originally Posted by shr133

I'm also looking to do a FA24 swap.

Quite a lot of people are actually starting this project already. I contact this recycler here in Norcal who's bought up a lot of totaled 2022 GR86/Brz and the engines and trans are almost gone immediately. It seems like these totaled cars aren't even ending up on the auction block at IAAI/Copart because the recyclers make a deal with them. All the ones I've tracked always say "pending auction date" and then disappears after awhile.

This user below bought one, maybe you can contact them on ig and see how they're doing it. They don't seem to be sharing info on forum etc.

[jflogerzi]

Just give it time. This will be far cheaper than a K24 swap. Smart people will figure it out

[FrickingReallySlow]

FYI Recycler sold the Fa24+trans dropout + cluster for 7.5K plus tax to give ppl an idea on prices

[RedReplicant]

It'll be interesting to see how they hold up on track longer term

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

FYI Recycler sold the Fa24+trans dropout + cluster for 7.5K plus tax to give ppl an idea on prices

That is inflation plus low supply and demand type of desperation prices. Prices should drop a lot, but it will take time. Those are LS3/LT1+transmission type of prices.

[FrickingReallySlow]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

That is inflation plus low supply and demand type of desperation prices. Prices should drop a lot, but it will take time. Those are LS3/LT1+transmission type of prices.

Yeah they are I agree but its also a drivetrain that's got like <1000miles on it

The totaled GR86 I mentioned on this post:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...4&postcount=26

Got bought by a guy on the Facebook forum for $6600 who lives in Lithuania!!.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3908...00001310874847

We speculated at the time that the pole might have missed the engine/cranshaft or not but if you want to pull the engine and tow the car you can save / make a lot of money. GR86 seats are going for $1500

At this point maybe just wait for totaled GR corolla and get that G16E_GTS ( a lot of fabrication work obvi)

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

Yeah they are I agree but its also a drivetrain that's got like <1000miles on it

The totaled GR86 I mentioned on this post:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...4&postcount=26

Got bought by a guy on the Facebook forum for $6600 who lives in Lithuania!!.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3908...00001310874847

We speculated at the time that the pole might have missed the engine/cranshaft or not but if you want to pull the engine and tow the car you can save / make a lot of money. GR86 seats are going for $1500

At this point maybe just wait for totaled GR corolla and get that G16E_GTS ( a lot of fabrication work obvi)

Did you see the damage on the GR86 the engine came from? Is there a warranty on the powertrain that it will have no issues, cracks or anything for a certain number of miles/time? You can buy a brand new K20C crate motor and new CD009 for that price. I get the low mileage, but that really doesn’t do anything for me. A proven powertrain with 30k that is cheaper would be better than rolling the dice on something expensive, which is why I like my $450-$1000 K24s.

[PulsarBeeerz]

It will be interesting to see the FA24D swaps once there are more chassis out there and they come down in price. I don't see the engine ever being as "cheap" as a FA20D. Hmm $7500 really isn't a lot for a swap setup that drops right in and passed emissions vs $12k+ for the Kswap just to make the same power.

[RedReplicant]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

It will be interesting to see the FA24D swaps once there are more chassis out there and they come down in price. I don't see the engine ever being as "cheap" as a FA20D. Hmm $7500 really isn't a lot for a swap setup that drops right in and passed emissions vs $12k+ for the Kswap just to make the same power.

The point of the k swap isn't power out of the box, it is track reliability, replacement cost, and weight distribution.

That said, the paths to make a fairly reliable 250-300whp NA are pretty well charted for the K.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

It will be interesting to see the FA24D swaps once there are more chassis out there and they come down in price. I don't see the engine ever being as "cheap" as a FA20D. Hmm $7500 really isn't a lot for a swap setup that drops right in and passed emissions vs $12k+ for the Kswap just to make the same power.

I see the advantage of both. Perhaps a FA24 swap would be able to be certified for road use, but only if the stock ECU is used and so on. The big thing for me is if the FA24 blows then I would have to be ready to pay another $5k for a motor, where another K24 is under a grand. Having blown a FA20, I am apprehensive about the FA24, but I’m also optimistic with how it holds together with FI. If I was building a NA platform that was light weight then I would do the K24.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by RedReplicant

The point of the k swap isn't power out of the box, it is track reliability, replacement cost, and weight distribution.

That said, the paths to make a fairly reliable 250-300whp NA are pretty well charted for the K.

I agree with the track related benefits and am very aware of the power they have made. 250-300whp is primarily on fwd platforms though with less drive train loss. And of course fully built motors on E85. Its LS swap territory cost wise to go down that route. FI starts to make all the sense unless one is doing it for class rules. Also make no mistake, one of the main benefit of the kswap initially was power out of the box until the FA24D came out making more that predicted.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I see the advantage of both. Perhaps a FA24 swap would be able to be certified for road use, but only if the stock ECU is used and so on. The big thing for me is if the FA24 blows then I would have to be ready to pay another $5k for a motor, where another K24 is under a grand. Having blown a FA20, I am apprehensive about the FA24, but I’m also optimistic with how it holds together with FI. If I was building a NA platform that was light weight then I would do the K24.

Which K24s are you looking at that are under $1k? Unless they have a ton of miles all the K24A2s MY04-08 I have come across are usually $1100 plus. I have seen a large amount of the CRV/Element K24s for cheap as they get slept on. Their heads for great for FI or Vtec Killer setups. If my FA20 meets the same fate as yours did that is the route I am going.

[BrahmaBull1990]

Not sure if people have been following EMS Tuning:

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

I agree with the track related benefits and am very aware of the power they have made. 250-300whp is primarily on fwd platforms though with less drive train loss. And of course fully built motors on E85. Its LS swap territory cost wise to go down that route. FI starts to make all the sense unless one is doing it for class rules. Also make no mistake, one of the main benefit of the kswap initially was power out of the box until the FA24D came out making more that predicted.

Which K24s are you looking at that are under $1k? Unless they have a ton of miles all the K24A2s MY04-08 I have come across are usually $1100 plus. I have seen a large amount of the CRV/Element K24s for cheap as they get slept on. Their heads for great for FI or Vtec Killer setups. If my FA20 meets the same fate as yours did that is the route I am going.

It is likely the FA24 will be similar in NA potential, which is to say it’ll make more than the FA20, but be similarly expensive and without the NA support from the aftermarket community, without much benefits. The K24 is proven, supported and well documented, and it is fairly cheap. $1100 versus sub $1000 is still much cheaper than $4500+ for a FA20/24. I bought mine from a Sacramento importer (see below), but I’ve seen them for cheaper in other states, where prices tend to be cheaper on most things. Check out the build below. If someone wanted to do a light weight NA build then the K24 is reliable and proven.

The K swap is more expensive, but only if we consider the price tag out of context. The Kpower kswap comes with some other components like a header, aluminum driveshaft and such things that are necessary, but increases the cost and makes it not an apples to apples comparison to just doing a K24 swap. Plus, the FA24 swap might require an aftermarket ECU. Side by side, the stock power is similar, but we don’t know how the FA24 will handle boost. The K24 can do 450whp all day long without cracking open the motor, and is a softer limit. Higher power levels are not unheard of, but a basic build with piston n rods and ARP headstuds will do 700whp+. The FA20 was a harder limit of 350whp, but it wasn’t always too reliable, as I know, so most people do an engine build. The K swap allows more power with better reliability without having to do a build engine, so most people considering the K swap aren’t comparing the FA20/24 to the K24; they are comparing a FA20/24 + built engine + motor replacement/consumables, if it blows, versus a stock K24. We will have to see if the FA24 has fixed the oil starvation issues and if it can hold much more horsepower with reliability.