Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Tt3Sheppard]

The fact that the 2nd Gen is going to be completely different worries me. I like this car but if you make the 2nd gen much better with none of the issues we are having now what is the incentive to keep this generation.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Tt3Sheppard

The fact that the 2nd Gen is going to be completely different worries me. I like this car but if you make the 2nd gen much better with none of the issues we are having now what is the incentive to keep this generation.

well lets not forget that we have the sub 86 car coming. its suppose to be smaller, more light weight and cheaper (under $20k) than the FRS.

also a 2nd gen could be years away. the car has just been on the market for less than two years.

[Hindi]

The 2nd gen could be worse as well. Especially since the chief engineers attention will be split.

[DarkSunrise]

Where did Tada san say the 2nd gen GT86 will be totally different from the current model?

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Where did Tada san say the 2nd gen GT86 will be totally different from the current model?

Tada confirmed to Drive he is already developing the concept for a successor, and hinted that it could be a radically different car, potentially dropping the boxer engine altogether - which raises questions about Subaru's involvement and whether there will be follow-up to the sister BRZ.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...rleu.html#poll

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by gymratter

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...rleu.html#poll

Interesting thanks. When Drive says "it could be a radically different car", I wonder if they just mean the rumored hybrid powerplant or they mean a radically different chassis as well. The article and the quotes only really discuss the engine, so I would guess that's what they're talking about, but it's hard to say if they mean to include the chassis as well in that statement.

[raven1231]

Can't wait for the buy a 2014 or wait for the second gen threads...

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Tt3Sheppard

The fact that the 2nd Gen is going to be completely different worries me. I like this car but if you make the 2nd gen much better with none of the issues we are having now what is the incentive to keep this generation.

Because it's great little car?

[Guff]

Originally Posted by STJ

Difference is that 800whp is useless in every day life, 400whp is about the max. And even that without traction control for rainy days is too much.

I disagree wholeheartedly. As long as you're not on slicks, Supras are great in rain, even with 800hp.

I'm hoping that the MKV will be the same! Easy to make gobs of power, and easy to drive!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Guff

I disagree wholeheartedly. As long as you're not on slicks, Supras are great in rain, even with 800hp.

I'm hoping that the MKV will be the same! Easy to make gobs of power, and easy to drive!

The only high WHP supra I've been in had enough turbo lag that it felt docile at low RPMs and/or light throttle. So I'd agree that you can control the big power. I had to say outside of the thrill of the HP it was an absolutely horrible street car though.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Hybrid?


No care.

[Guff]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The only high WHP supra I've been in had enough turbo lag that it felt docile at low RPMs and/or light throttle. So I'd agree that you can control the big power. I had to say outside of the thrill of the HP it was an absolutely horrible street car though.

Oh, they're great street cars. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that a well sorted APU Supra is a better street car than an FRS! It's more comfortable, it's got less rattles, it's quieter, it's much better on the highway, it's certainly as fun to drive on backroads.

That being said, "well sorted APU" means less than 600whp on a small, quick spooling turbo. And of course some decent tires.

Regardless, the MKV is likely going to be significantly more refined than the MKIV. And assuming that it will be capable of similar horsepower numbers, it could certainly be an evolution of the MKIV, which is what everyone is craving.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Guff

Oh, they're great street cars. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that a well sorted APU Supra is a better street car than an FRS! It's more comfortable, it's got less rattles, it's quieter, it's much better on the highway, it's certainly as fun to drive on backroads.

That being said, "well sorted APU" means less than 600whp on a small, quick spooling turbo. And of course some decent tires.

Regardless, the MKV is likely going to be significantly more refined than the MKIV. And assuming that it will be capable of similar horsepower numbers, it could certainly be an evolution of the MKIV, which is what everyone is craving.

I agree with Dave about the big power cars. My buddy's 700whp (GT42??) street trim is stupid on the street. And he's only been full kill including spray >1000whp maybe 5 days (some dynos and a 9 second pass). So it's basically the shitty driveability of big turbo with less power. Seems kinda dumb to be a street car.

But a setup maxed out a 600whp and built to rev would probably be a good compromise.

[thill]

Originally Posted by gymratter

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...rleu.html#poll

Okay but that quote is not directly from Tada nor is it 100% etched in stone. "Hinted", "potentially", and even "concept" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

I am sure the successor will be different, but that is to be expected. How much different is the real question, and we have not even seen a mid-cycle refresh yet so this is many years away.