Throwout bearing.

[Spartarus]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

Google it. You'll see no shortage of image results for shredded Subaru transmission snouts.

The bearing goes bad, causing the sleeve to spin on the shaft, which scores it all to hell. I'm not sure if this is a Subaru-only thing, or just something that happens a lot more often on Subarus than other cars.

Here's the google image results for 'Subaru transmission snout' https://www.google.com/search?q=suba...ih=661&dpr=1.5

-Justin

One more reason to get rid of the Subaru motor then. Interesting, I've never seen that on any other car with a fork.

That said, by the time it does that kind of damage, the bearing needs to have been bad for easily long enough to identify. It has to have been making an awful noise while it's dragging and seizing. I've never left one anywhere near that long.

If you continue to operate a clearly worn-out part for long enough, eventually it will fail catastrophically.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Spartarus

One more reason to get rid of the Subaru motor then. Interesting, I've never seen that on any other car with a fork.

That said, by the time it does that kind of damage, the bearing needs to have been bad for easily long enough to identify. It has to have been making an awful noise while it's dragging and seizing. I've never left one anywhere near that long.

If you continue to operate a clearly worn-out part for long enough, eventually it will fail catastrophically.

I added an explanation why this may be more common in Subarus than other cars above. I think I was editing while you were replying.

I know of a few cases where people went to the dealer at the first signs of the sound and were turned away. They were told it was nothing or that it is normal or that it couldn't be replicated.

-Justin

[pantdino]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

I added an explanation why this may be more common in Subarus than other cars above. I think I was editing while you were replying.

I know of a few cases where people went to the dealer at the first signs of the sound and were turned away. They were told it was nothing or that it is normal or that it couldn't be replicated.

-Justin

But it was a good thing those people took the car to the dealer because they then have proof they were worried about it and the tech said it was nothing-- so dealer's fault

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by pantdino

But it was a good thing those people took the car to the dealer because they then have proof they were worried about it and the tech said it was nothing-- so dealer's fault

When they do find it, they usually don't cover it. They usually consider the throw out bearing a wear item like the rest of the clutch assembly.

-Justin

[Spartarus]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

It looks like Subaru transmissions have the snout molded into the housing, which both makes the snout weaker and also introduces a split line running lengthwise on the snout...

I haven't pulled the transmission out of my FR-S yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the transmission uses a Subaru-style housing. If so, prepare for throw out bearing problems or invest in one of the snout sleeves.

-Justin

AISIN makes the Toyobaru transmission. The "snout" in question is not molded into the housing, it's a separate piece that bolts in. It also houses the front bearing and seal, just like the w-series, and r-series. 7 little bolts.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Spartarus

AISIN makes the Toyobaru transmission. The "snout" in question is not molded into the housing, it's a separate piece that bolts in. It also houses the front bearing and seal, just like the w-series, and r-series. 7 little bolts.

Then I have no idea why one of these would fail early unless it's they're just making these bearings worse these days.

-Justin

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

When they do find it, they usually don't cover it. They usually consider the throw out bearing a wear item like the rest of the clutch assembly.

-Justin

What good is a 60k powertrain warranty if a critical part of the powertrain isn't considered good for the life of the warranty and it's failure (potentially catastrophic to the tune of thousands of dollars) falls on the customer's responsibility?

There's a fundamental problem with throwout bearings failing before 60k outside of a few outlier cases imo.

Thanks to you and @Spartacus I may be removing my trans at my 45k to replace my intermittently noisy bearing (currently at 43k).

[pantdino]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

When they do find it, they usually don't cover it. They usually consider the throw out bearing a wear item like the rest of the clutch assembly.

-Justin

The difference would be that if the failure were identified early, the cost would be the price of the bearing plus labor to R+R, not that plus all the other expensive parts.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by pantdino

The difference would be that if the failure were identified early, the cost would be the price of the bearing plus labor to R+R, not that plus all the other expensive parts.

I think it should be addressed, I just don't know if bringing it to the dealer early increases the chances of warranty coverage.

-Justin

[lupindub]

I noticed there is quite a bit of people having problems with the throw out bearing. Is this problem only happening to people with Manual Transmissions or does this effect people with Automatic's as well?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by lupindub

I noticed there is quite a bit of people having problems with the throw out bearing. Is this problem only happening to people with Manual Transmissions or does this effect people with Automatic's as well?

Ummmmm believe me it is only the MT guys since ATs do not have one (it is part of the clutch assembly)

[RJ_]

Mine started to make a noise before the 60,000km service. The Subaru dealer replaced it under warranty when they did the service.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ummmmm believe me it is only the MT guys since ATs do not have one (it is part of the clutch assembly)

Tcoat, that was a nice, gentle post ......


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Tcoat, that was a nice, gentle post ......


humfrz

Lup does not have a long history of asking dumb questions and he listens when people tell him something so yes, nice and gentle.
Now if he was one of the dumb question, argue with all responses, spoon feed me info cuz I don't want to have too read crowd things may have been different.