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Old 03-03-2021, 10:04 PM   #85
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Well, there's some chicken and egg going on here, but I'll just say: I can't wrap my mind around the idea of walking in wanting a manual and walking out with an auto. It's not like when the restaurant is out of the special and you just get a burger.

Like, I "settled" for Whiteout when I wanted Argento b/c there were none to be had. But AT instead of MT? No way.
the difference between car people and non-car people.

also the primary argument on why car dealerships still exist-- to help people decide.

for car people like you or i, we do everything before. we've picked every option we do or don't want, checked average sale prices, located available inventory and alternatives within our acceptable distance, even located financing and are aware of the average rates if we needed it. all before ever setting foot at a dealer.

but most people don't do that. the majority of the planet: car done broke. i go to da dealership for new car.
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I agree with you in most every other automotive instance, but the twins have always been niche. I find it tough to believe someone would just drop their $25+k on the AT if they walked in intending to buy the MT. I'm sure it's happened, but still.
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I agree with you in most every other automotive instance, but the twins have always been niche. I find it tough to believe someone would just drop their $25+k on the AT if they walked in intending to buy the MT. I'm sure it's happened, but still.
While I am just as incredulous as you, this forum is littered with testimonials of buyer's remorse because they were looking for a one type but settled for the other. It happens all the time.
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Like, I "settled" for Whiteout when I wanted Argento b/c there were none to be had. But AT instead of MT? No way.
And there are folks where the color is more important than the transmission type. For example, I would never own a black car and, except for a few rare specific car models, I would never own a white or silver car. There is no other option available that would override that.

It's a personal choice.
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I agree with you in most every other automotive instance, but the twins have always been niche. I find it tough to believe someone would just drop their $25+k on the AT if they walked in intending to buy the MT. I'm sure it's happened, but still.
It's happened with folks on this site. Even when given the choice over 26% of buyers took the AT option on the 86, as determined by the First 86 group who had the choice of configuring the car the way they wanted from the factory (well at least color and transmission type). Actually, it may be higher than that because some changed their minds (as I did) after driving the AT in Long Beach and given one last chance to change our configuration. I originally was getting the MT but decided to go with the AT after getting a chance to drive both back to back.

This is from this thread.

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Well, there's some chicken and egg going on here, but I'll just say: I can't wrap my mind around the idea of walking in wanting a manual and walking out with an auto. It's not like when the restaurant is out of the special and you just get a burger.

Like, I "settled" for Whiteout when I wanted Argento b/c there were none to be had. But AT instead of MT? No way.
Part of what confuses this issue is the assumption that all the buyers are "enthusiasts" and therefore diehard MT fans. This is far from reality. Many, many of these cars are sold as nice little inexpensive commuter coupes to people that are not even close to what could be called an "enthusiast". They don't hang out on forum, go to meets or in anyway interact with other owners so they are sort of hidden as a demographic. The AT would be far more popular with this crowd as they are just buying it as a car not anything really special.
We as a group tend to forget that everybody isn't interested in the driving experience because they just want to get from point A to Point B with some style.
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This is far from reality. Many, many of these cars are sold as nice little inexpensive commuter coupes to people that are not even close to what could be called an "enthusiast"..
Yep, i have a niece in Florida that has owned an FRS she bought used and a second 86 she later bought new with the FRS as a trade-in. She drives them because, and I quote her "It's small and cute with nice curves, like me". One was an AT and one was an MT.
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Yep, i have a niece in Florida that has owned an FRS she bought used and a second 86 she later bought new with the FRS as a trade-in. She drives them because, and I quote her "It's small and cute with nice curves, like me". One was an AT and one was an MT.
We had a tech from our robot supplier in that drove a BRZ. Caught up with him just before he left and said "Nice BRZ that is my FRS over there" His reply was "what is an FRS?" He had owned the BRZ for 3 years and had no clue there was a Scion/Toyota version. He thought it was only a Subaru thing. I have spoke to about 8 local owners. Of those 8 only 3 were active in any form of "enthusiast" activities. All the rest just drove it like it was a normal car (which it is of course) and had no idea there was any type of community attached to it.
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Amen! Welcome to the group. They're great automatics, demonstrably tougher than the manuals so you really have that going for you.
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That sucks if your second car has the transmission restriction.

We have 2 cars, and our X1 is obviously an Auto, and its the wifey's car. she doesnt have much desire to drive stick.

But our second car (right now its a scion IM) is mine, and it gets to be MT.

Wife will have to learn stick if she wants to drive my car lol. Right now she doesnt car, but when we get the 86 she thinks she might end up enjoying driving it and its MT goodness.
Her one requirement was that if she's helping pay for it, she ought to be able to drive it.
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Well, like they say in the old country - "A happy wife is a happy _______"

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I bought a brand new automatic 2020 86 GT a month ago and I adore it. As someone who has to deal with frequent city traffic, I greatly appreciate having the convenience of an automatic transmission while at the same time still being able to have fun on the twisty backroads on the weekends with the paddle shifters.

There's no reason for anyone to feel ashamed for buying an automatic, it's really just up to your personal preference and your driving needs. At the end of the day, we're all 86 lovers here.
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And there are folks where the color is more important than the transmission type. For example, I would never own a black car and, except for a few rare specific car models, I would never own a white or silver car. There is no other option available that would override that.

It's a personal choice.
Actually yes! I wanted a Hakone, no MTs were available. Id rather have the color I want than the transmission.
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Lol... when I was in my teens and twenties, I had a fox mustang I used to swap back and forth between auto and manual transmissions, sometimes swapping transmissions 2-3 times per year. I liked both, but could only afford one car so when I felt like driving stick or auto I just put that transmission in until I felt like driving the other. I had the swap process down to where I could swap over in about 4 hours. Sometimes I'd blow them up behind too much boost so I could swap one while I rebuilt the other. Anyhow, I am rambling like an old man reliving his youth. Thankfully, on in my years, I am blessed to be able to afford both a manual and an auto car so I don't have to repeat the craziness of my youth. Both cars are equally fun to drive (and black ) and often difficult to decide which car to take out. My wife hates both so at least that doesn't complicate the decision further. One thing is for sure, I've never regretted buying the auto in the 86 or considered swapping it. It's fun the way it is.
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