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Old 12-07-2020, 09:53 AM   #43
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If I lived in the GTA and was in stop and go for hours it would matter to me. Regular rural traffic isn't a problem.
Some spots on the 401 where it's 10kmh stop and go for hours a day.
Depends on the area and traffic.

Drivers from Ottawa/Toronto also drive like arseholes. If you leave any space, an impatient driver will cut in front of you.
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Old 12-07-2020, 12:00 PM   #44
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It depends on how bad the stop and go is. I drive an hour each direction in stop and go but I can keep enough distance that its more of a slow roll rather than complete stop and go for me. All the other people are stopping completely, just not me. I prefer the manual in traffic because I'm not having to constantly go between the gas and the brake the whole ride. I can normally just lift and by the time the gap closes they are all full throttle until the next shift in the accordion.


If it's a few inches at a time then MT could get old if that is all you use the car for.
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Old 12-07-2020, 12:53 PM   #45
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stop-&-go? meh
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If I lived in the GTA and was in stop and go for hours it would matter to me. Regular rural traffic isn't a problem.
Some spots on the 401 where it's 10kmh stop and go for hours a day.
Depends on the area and traffic.

Drivers from Ottawa/Toronto also drive like arseholes. If you leave any space, an impatient driver will cut in front of you.
and the problem is? let them! they're not worth the stress, despite the fact that everyone seems to insist on battling for their section of asphalt like their life depends on it. like traffic would refuse to move unless I move...

they do this plenty in chicago. my experience is that while a few cars do in fact jump into [MY] lane, they quickly jump back out for another lane that appears faster, but isn't, and i almost always catch up and pass them. then they would get more angry for not picking the faster lane, and start darting between lanes harder, and i'd get my own little soap opera of the human condition played out in my rearview mirror.

the real trick to traffic is to stop fighting and assimilate to the reality that everyone is going in the same direction, and will eventually get there.
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Old 12-07-2020, 05:35 PM   #47
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^ Before I sold my FR-S I drove her for a year in a 25 mile rush hour commute. The manual never bothered me much, but my loud AF exhaust set up did grate on my nerves a bit. As stated above, you donít need to constantly pull up a foot in traffic. I also got really good at looking way ahead and modulating my speed to avoid backups as much as possible. Iím sure the AT is still a fun car, but given the modest amount of power on tap and overall nature of the car, it does beg to be MT.
But with the AT in manual mode you can redline in every gear. So you basically do whatever the MT does without a clutch. So power is not an issue any more than a manual. Or leave it in AT, the tranny is not that bad on its own. It can shift too fast from a light, but put your foot down more and it gets solved. For my commute, I am mostly in AT, but on the weekend on some twisties I do both. To be honest the AT works well, only a few hiccups. No big deal I am not racing anyone.
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But with the AT in manual mode you can redline in every gear. So you basically do whatever the MT does without a clutch. So power is not an issue any more than a manual. Or leave it in AT, the tranny is not that bad on its own. It can shift too fast from a light, but put your foot down more and it gets solved. For my commute, I am mostly in AT, but on the weekend on some twisties I do both. To be honest the AT works well, only a few hiccups. No big deal I am not racing anyone.
Well, can you redline at 6th? I thought my car had enough power

Just kidding, I know what you mean.
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Old 12-07-2020, 07:56 PM   #49
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My wife refuses to try out my sim but sims are terrible at replicating manuals anyways. All of them suck at it, rF2, iRacing, AC, etc.
well yes, no sim/video game gearbox can replicate the actual clutch & gearbox feel, but it is to understand the basics and getting used to the pattern and rhythm of shifting without fucking up a car. I've taught quite a number of my friends, and with a couple of them I am so glad we started learning with a PC sim otherwise I would have a really sore gearbox.. nothing wrong with your woman not wanting to drive a stick, shouldn't be a deal breaker especially if they love sports cars.

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But with the AT in manual mode you can redline in every gear. So you basically do whatever the MT does without a clutch. So power is not an issue any more than a manual. Or leave it in AT, the tranny is not that bad on its own. It can shift too fast from a light, but put your foot down more and it gets solved. For my commute, I am mostly in AT, but on the weekend on some twisties I do both. To be honest the AT works well, only a few hiccups. No big deal I am not racing anyone.
eh, yes it isn't like you're losing much power choosing AT but the way power is delivered through on a twin with a MT feels pretty quite different than a twin with an AT and my butt dyno is definitely able to feel able to feel the difference in torque..MT feels like it has more accessible torque even if we take clutch kicks and dumping for launches out of the question.

the only benefit here is convenience..
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Unless you have a medical reason that requires you to have an automatic transmission; given the choice, you should get the manual. If for no other reason; every year sees a decrease in cars available with a manual transmission. You owe it to yourself, your children, and the car community as a whole to +1 the number of manual transmissions sold.
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Old 12-07-2020, 09:00 PM   #51
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and the problem is? let them!
Riding ass is the biggest problem on the highway. Everyone rides ass in an attempt to keep people from taking their spot. That ďspotĒ accounts for all of 250ms and like you said they will typically swap lanes until they are way behind you. They ride ass so close they canít see the flow of traffic ahead so their choices on which lane to use sucks. This ass riding also makes it impossible for people to properly merge so eventually people have to force their way into traffic which causes more problems. Any fluctuation in speed ahead of you requires a more dramatic reaction which requires an even more dramatic reaction for the guy behind you that is also riding ass. Then you end up with this accordion crap.

I wish cops would stop focusing on speeding and instead focus on tailgating. Tailgating is dramatically more dangerous. They could generate way more revenue with tailgating than speeding because people do it right in front of cop. It isnít like speeding where people slow down if a cop is around. Hell they will even tailgate a cop. The cops also tailgate which sets a great example.

Imagine the impact it would have really f cops got serious about tailgating, hogging the left lane and improper merging. For example thinking they have to merge at the very beginning of the merging lane as if they will drive off the flat earth if they actually use the whole lane to actually get up to speed. Or completely stopping at the beginning of a 1/4mile long merging lane to wait for traffic to literally stop and beg them to come in.

Sorry, Iím way off topic. Hahaha
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How good is the automatic? does it precisely shift when in manual mode? Is is "as fun" to drive? Every automatic I've driven don't seem to do a very good job with this.

First post here, so hi folks!

I got a used 2019 last Feb (with only 11,000 miles on it, thank you very much!). Has an AT, because I live in a dense, hilly, city, and spouse will only drive an AT.

The AT is not nearly as good as a Porsche PDK (which shifts in like 100 milliseconds, based on a quick test drive), but I'm not sure shifts in an AT 86 are THAT much slower than in an MT. And it's kind of cool in sport mode, because hitting the brakes hard will automatically downshift.

Here's a theory I have: to shift gears in an MT you need to depress/extend your left leg whilst rowing a gear selector with your right hand. That's a fair amount of body movement. But with an AT in manual mode, the car MAY be a little less unsettled since to shift gears, you only need a quick right hand push/pull to get to the next gear.
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my 2 cents:

Manual is more fun period.

Dont care if autos are faster, shifts faster, or the car is ultimately faster, pressing gas to go bores me. theres no interaction. Shift paddles do little to sway me. Yes, as long as they're responsive (it better damn near shift instantly or better once i click the paddle) i approve of them, but im not picking an AT over an MT unless i start getting bored of MT or if MT isnt available.

There are reasons to get one over the other but for me, its MT until i just dont feel like shifting much anymore.

Oh in regards to the 86, yeah the AT is fine. the paddles are pretty responsive once you get on it. But to me, this is a car that needs to be MT.
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First post here, so hi folks!

I got a used 2019 last Feb (with only 11,000 miles on it, thank you very much!). Has an AT, because I live in a dense, hilly, city, and spouse will only drive an AT.

The AT is not nearly as good as a Porsche PDK (which shifts in like 100 milliseconds, based on a quick test drive), but I'm not sure shifts in an AT 86 are THAT much slower than in an MT. And it's kind of cool in sport mode, because hitting the brakes hard will automatically downshift.

Here's a theory I have: to shift gears in an MT you need to depress/extend your left leg whilst rowing a gear selector with your right hand. That's a fair amount of body movement. But with an AT in manual mode, the car MAY be a little less unsettled since to shift gears, you only need a quick right hand push/pull to get to the next gear.
i prefer the car being unsettled. it matches my reality.
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Manual is more fun period
Ditto. All about the fun & feeling factor, not about shifting quickness, etc.
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As for Northern CA hills, I drove a ‘91 NA MX-5 manual in SF for ~25 years on the original clutch.
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