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Old 05-09-2021, 10:24 PM   #1
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hi, future 86 owner when i find one, do any of you...

have a boost kit on your car BUT regret doing so? i did some reading of a sampling of threads for the past 2 hrs and the results were uh, interesting. im guessing a certain percentage of the people that drive these cars are on the younger side.


im also guessing a certain percentage of owners here came from other/faster cars, like me. but im needing something on the cheaper side and practical but still fun and i cant bring myself to get that new mazda3 turbo (great car though) so here i am.


anyone boost their car then later wish they didn't? if so, why? is there much variety in the available sources for tuning?



on the motorcycle side of things, there are only a few good sources, but hey, pay to play and all that. cheers =]
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Plenty of people have boosted and regretted it. Most of those people either did a shitty job going boosted, didn't properly prepare their car beforehand, or beat the shit out of it after boosting and wondered why their engine blew. Just do your research, make sure you have the right mods beforehand, and don't boost higher than the car can handle and you'll be fine. It's a fun car to go boosted as long as you don't go overboard

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have a boost kit on your car BUT regret doing so? i did some reading of a sampling of threads for the past 2 hrs and the results were uh, interesting. im guessing a certain percentage of the people that drive these cars are on the younger side.


im also guessing a certain percentage of owners here came from other/faster cars, like me. but im needing something on the cheaper side and practical but still fun and i cant bring myself to get that new mazda3 turbo (great car though) so here i am.


anyone boost their car then later wish they didn't? if so, why? is there much variety in the available sources for tuning?



on the motorcycle side of things, there are only a few good sources, but hey, pay to play and all that. cheers =]
I think boosting an 86 wouldn't be a good idea, especially when your saying you want a "cheaper" and "practical" setup. Something about slapping a turbo on a car that isn't equipped from the factory with one doesn't sound cheap or practical at all. If money isn't an issue and this "future 86" is more of a project car, then give it a shot!
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Yup if u want boosted just go for wrx
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have a boost kit on your car BUT regret doing so? i did some reading of a sampling of threads for the past 2 hrs and the results were uh, interesting. im guessing a certain percentage of the people that drive these cars are on the younger side.


im also guessing a certain percentage of owners here came from other/faster cars, like me. but im needing something on the cheaper side and practical but still fun and i cant bring myself to get that new mazda3 turbo (great car though) so here i am.


anyone boost their car then later wish they didn't? if so, why? is there much variety in the available sources for tuning?



on the motorcycle side of things, there are only a few good sources, but hey, pay to play and all that. cheers =]
Many of the people on this forum are much, MUCH older than you would think. The average age is dropping as the cars get cheaper of course.

There are loads of stories of guys that boosted and later regretted it (or now think the base car is crap because they had issues) but there are also may that did so with no problems. The trick seems to be to spend loads of cash to do it right the first time. This should be obvious but some need to learn the hard way. If this is going to be your only car I would just throw a header and tune on it and call it a day. Since it was well set up right from the factory there are no magic bolt ons that will give huge increases like if you were working on your mom's old Civic sedan.

The very reason I bought one (well two now I guess) of these was that it was cheap, practical and still fun. If you boost properly it removes the cheap part (you may as well buy the Mazda at that point), it is slightly less practical (driving in bad weather can be trickier) and would only be more fun as long as you don't blow it up and your idea of fun is streetlight drag racing.
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The very reason I bought one (well two now I guess) of these was that it was cheap, practical and still fun. If you boost properly it removes the cheap part (you may as well buy the Mazda at that point), it is slightly less practical (driving in bad weather can be trickier) and would only be more fun as long as you don't blow it up and your idea of fun is streetlight drag racing.
Yep, agreed.

When I first bought my 86, actually even before then, I had intended to add something like the Edelbrock supercharger to it, but once I saw the minimal gains, and the cost (almost 40% of the cost of the car when fully installed) I didn't see the point. In the end, I'm glad I didn't do it.

I'm now more convinced then ever that "bought not built" is the best option unless you plan on making it a full-time hobby to maintain it, but I like driving not fixing, so there is that. YMMV.
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Even when done right, I'm sure adding force induction shortens the lifespan of an engine. I would like to keep this car around for 15-20 years like how some ae86's are still around and kicking with the good ol 4age. While a subaru engine likely won't last as long as a toyota one, I can guarantee the odds of it happening are drastically better keeping the engine NA.

Yes, you can FI the car and have it be reliable for a while but the fact is our engines do not come with forged internals like engines with boost out of the factory. While it can be done reliably, the lifespan of the engine will definitely be shortened given all other factors being constant.
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Even when done right, I'm sure adding force induction shortens the lifespan of an engine. I would like to keep this car around for 15-20 years like how some ae86's are still around and kicking with the good ol 4age. While a subaru engine likely won't last as long as a toyota one, I can guarantee the odds of it happening are drastically better keeping the engine NA.

Yes, you can FI the car and have it be reliable for a while but the fact is our engines do not come with forged internals like engines with boost out of the factory. While it can be done reliably, the lifespan of the engine will definitely be shortened given all other factors being constant.
Doing it right entails swapping internals for long-term reliability.
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And realizing that even with swapped internals you still are not going to be able to go to levels of boost that some old iron blocks can take!
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..and at the point I'm doing all that, I'm all but admitting I bought the wrong car, for me.

Now if an individual wants to do it, I say go for it! Just remember it's not the same car any longer when you start complaining about it failing.
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I had a boosted FR-S and spent the entire time worrying if or when my engine would pop. With my BRZ, keeping it NA, I never worry about wringing it out.
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have a boost kit on your car BUT regret doing so? i did some reading of a sampling of threads for the past 2 hrs and the results were uh, interesting. im guessing a certain percentage of the people that drive these cars are on the younger side.


im also guessing a certain percentage of owners here came from other/faster cars, like me. but im needing something on the cheaper side and practical but still fun and i cant bring myself to get that new mazda3 turbo (great car though) so here i am.


anyone boost their car then later wish they didn't? if so, why? is there much variety in the available sources for tuning?



on the motorcycle side of things, there are only a few good sources, but hey, pay to play and all that. cheers =]
boosting a car is a lot like the stock market. don't bet with money that you aren't afraid to lose at someone else's drop of a hat if you're worried about losing money.

i wouldn't boost a car unless i had $20k to play with to build it, another $20k in reserve for when it all goes wrong, and only if the car was just a play thing, that i didn't need to rely on for daily transportation.
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