2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by BA9092

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...formance-0-60/

If I were being honest, I just don't think I could be happy with a car that was designed for more power but didn't have it.

It's the primary reason I bought the FRS over a Camaro. Anytime I looked at Camaros in 2012, I couldn't go below the 2SS and REALLY wanted the ZL1. There was no way I would have purchased a 1LS with only 300+HP and a V6 when there were so many other power options available.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If I were being honest, I just don't think I could be happy with a car that was designed for more power but didn't have it.

It's the primary reason I bought the FRS over a Camaro. Anytime I looked at Camaros in 2012, I couldn't go below the 2SS and REALLY wanted the ZL1. There was no way I would have purchased a 1LS with only 300+HP and a V6 when there were so many other power options available.

Agreed.

I was just giving the 2.0 fans out there some hope.

[gymratter]

^thanks captain obvious :p

[gymratter]

a poll on our sister forum. 2.0 vs 3.0

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/4-c...-six-b58.1644/

[reeves]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Idiotic or not depends a lot on what is valued by the user.
I'm a lot more interested in the 2.0 at either $40k base or $45k with performance oriented options than I am in the 200 lb. nose-heavier 3.0 at $50k. I don't need the additional horsepower and i value the lighter weight and thousands of $$$$ saved with the 2.0.

Count me in as someone who'd buy a $45K 2.0 Supra over a $50K 3.0 Supra.. As long as I can get it with a 6-speed manual. So I guess I'll be waiting another year or 3, we'll see.

I don't race or autoX, and don't care for the overkill of HP in the 3.0. I just want the chassis and feel of the car when I drive it everyday!

[gymratter]

the issue is production of the 2.0 is going to be pretty low. so from that it doesn't make much sense to offer it in multiple configurations.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...-toyota-supra/

Toyota forecasts the take rate of four-cylinders to be 20% at the start.

latest poll on our sister forum also doesn't appears to show much interest in the 2.0 either.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/4-c...-six-b58.1644/

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by reeves

Count me in as someone who'd buy a $45K 2.0 Supra over a $50K 3.0 Supra.. As long as I can get it with a 6-speed manual. So I guess I'll be waiting another year or 3, we'll see.



I don't race or autoX, and don't care for the overkill of HP in the 3.0. I just want the chassis and feel of the car when I drive it everyday!

The 2.0 from the Early reviews is still pretty good. Still gets a mech diff and suspension is on the firmer side. It's still nearly 50/50 and is now a front mid engine as the engine is 100% behind front axle. The electronic dampers help settle the car when pushing the car through rough roads and allows you to carry more speed but of speed is not concern the 4 pot is expect to be under 40k before tax,title, license. Also they look identical minus smaller none brembos and different rims which I would replace on either car anyways. Don't discount the 4 pot just yet.

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[abraxis]

Plus those 18" wheels look waaaaaay nicer than the 19s on the 3.0. It's not even close for me on those wheels.

I'll wait for the 3.0 with the next HP bump and more weight reduction. Hopefully a new steering wheel with a different airbag shape and center spoke design. Android Auto and a brighter screen. Also I'd really really love for them to find a way to lower the hood a bit.

[reeves]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

The 2.0 from the Early reviews is still pretty good. Still gets a mech diff and suspension is on the firmer side. It's still nearly 50/50 and is now a front mid engine as the engine is 100% behind front axle. The electronic dampers help settle the car when pushing the car through rough roads and allows you to carry more speed but of speed is not concern the 4 pot is expect to be under 40k before tax,title, license. Also they look identical minus smaller none brembos and different rims which I would replace on either car anyways. Don't discount the 4 pot just yet.

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That's what I'm hoping for. I didn't expect it to be under $40K, but if it is that's just a bonus in my book.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by gymratter

@13:23

That's so me!

[ichitaka05]

Recently Everyday Driver uploaded their review... I highly NOT watching it. They’re local guys, so want to help em out, but fuck... lost cause. They drank too much Toyota Kool-Aid and doesn’t do legit review. I do favor Toyota... but when there’s a problem, I say it to them. No BS & flat out... especially to engineers, including Tada-san. So they know & they can improve for the future model. ED? Nothing. Just pure BS

TLDR: Don’t watch review of Everyday Driver. Waste of your time

[Irace86.2.0]

The problem with the Supra is that it is a luxury sports car that is suppose to compete with the BMW Z4, Cayman, base Corvette, etc. This is fine for the 3.0T because it has the power to back up the price, and it has the potential to easily keep up or exceed its rivals with a very tunable platform. Like the Cayman or Vette, it is matched evenly--luxury and power.

The 2.0T is an odd ball because it is an underpowered luxury sports car. This would be fine if it was a relaxing convertible like the Z4, or a hatch or sedan that had an equivalent hot hatch or sports sedan counterpart, but this is suppose to be a sports car first, which now became less powerful.

Cross shoppers will have a choice of buying a sports car that is more luxury than sports car, or buy a car that is more sports car than luxury, or save some money and buy a 370z or 2.0T Camaro/Mustang and get less luxury. I think I would rather have a standard sports car and make it more sporty like buying a $35k Camaro or Mustang GT pushing 450hp+ than buying a sports car that is more luxury than go.

This didn't stop the NA MKIV from selling, but then again, that was still a six cylinder, and I wonder if luxury buyers won't be happy with a 2.0T like they weren't with the 718 Cayman. I would have to really analyze the history of automobiles, but sports car buyers typically put more importance on performance than luxury up unto a certain price point. My thinking is that there is a crossing point where adding more and more performance starts to require some more luxury. The example I am thinking of are the Shelby GT500s and Dodge Hellcats, where most buyers at that price point appreciate the performance, but want more luxury than what comes on a car that started at $25k.

We will see, but the more I think about it, the less successful I see the 2.0T.

[BA9092]

I agree.

But I'm gonna stir the pot here, just for fun.

The majority of 2.0 Supra cross-shoppers will be looking for a RWD, sleek-looking coupe that's slightly more luxurious than the 86/BRZ. Granted, a lot of the same tech/luxury features are available on Civics and Corollas today.

Supra 2.0 cross-shopping examples: MX-5 RF, base Camaro, base Mustang, base BMW 2-series to name just a few... Even the 370Z, being long-in-the-tooth, is still cheaper and maybe just as quick if not quicker, depending on your source.

And take note - ALL of the cars above are still available with a 6-speed manual! Toyota dropped the big ball on this one.

Now...since Toyota "stripped" the Supra in its 2.0 variant, this:

Overlooking the lack of a manual brings us to the so-called "tech & luxury" aspect. Sure, again it's "nicer" than the 86 and BRZ. But, for the most recent news and example...let's just look at what's becoming of the newly announced 2022 MK8 GTI! (4-pot to 4-pot comparison only...)

A ton more features in the GTI and for less than $40k! (Sources are saying low to mid $30s.)

Some notable features:
- First, it'll be available in both a 7-speed DSG AND a 6-speed manual!
- A much nicer, thicker steering wheel with smaller spokes - that'll include heating as well!
- A "digital cockpit" (as VW calls it) with two 10-inch screens.
- Heated AND cooled seats! (Full power adjustment on the leather option.)
- A new and highly driver-configurable DCC system with adaptive dampers and torque-vectoring LSD...remember, they omitted the adaptive suspension in the 2.0 Supra.
- A heads-up display...yes, also omitted from the 2.0 Supra.
- A Harman/Kardon sound system which, I'm sure, will sound way better than the 2.0's measly 4-speaker set-up.
- Also included, "Automatic emergency braking and active lane control will also come standard."

All this for UNDER $40k! The Supra 2.0 prices haven't been released yet, but correct me if I'm wrong here - high $30s to low $40s?

Ok, yes, the GTI is FWD and we know RWD cars are more expensive to engineer and produce. Hardly a viable apples-to-apples comparison. BUT, the 2.0 Supra is hardly a "luxury" coupe now, is it...

I think the 2.0 Supra is still a worthy vehicle, it's just sad that they stripped most of the tech and luxury features of its 3.0 big brother. The M240i and the 230i have a $10k price difference also. But I don't see where they differ much other than the engines? They could've kept all the options from the 3.0 in the 2.0 as well.

Maybe if the current iteration of the 2.0 Supra came with a manual option, a low to mid $30k pricing would make it a bit more enticing.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by BA9092

I agree.
All this for UNDER $40k! The Supra 2.0 prices haven't been released yet, but correct me if I'm wrong here - high $30s to low $40s?

Ok, yes, the GTI is FWD and we know RWD cars are more expensive to engineer and produce. Hardly a viable apples-to-apples comparison. BUT, the 2.0 Supra is hardly a "luxury" coupe now, is it...

I think the 2.0 Supra is still a worthy vehicle, it's just sad that they stripped most of the tech and luxury features of its 3.0 big brother. The M240i and the 230i have a $10k price difference also. But I don't see where they differ much other than the engines? They could've kept all the options from the 3.0 in the 2.0 as well.

Maybe if the current iteration of the 2.0 Supra came with a manual option, a low to mid $30k pricing would make it a bit more enticing.

The 2.0L 2020 Z4 starts at $50K.. All estimates have been $40-45K so far. We know it won't have a manual. The ZF is the reason both cars are as quick as they are.