All-New 2022 Toyota 86 Reveal Delayed

[gymratter]

article from bestcar with crappy google translation

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/260678

■ Toyota 86 will be delayed in release next year in order to differentiate it from BRZ
● Toyota 86

　Subaru's new BRZ, which is already a brother car, was unveiled in North America in November last year, but what is worrisome is the new 86, which is the Toyota version.

　Like the new BRZ, the exterior design follows the short deck style with a low bonnet hood and adopts a duck tail style at the rear, making it a royal style of a 2-door coupe that emphasizes glamorousness.

Of course, the shape of the front bumper and rear combination lamp will be different from the BRZ to differentiate it.

　The body size is the same as the new BRZ, total length 4265 x total width 1775 x total height 1310 mm, wheelbase 2575 mm.

　As with the first generation, the transmission has 6-speed MT and 6-speed AT, and the suspension has struts on the front and double wishbones on the rear, following the first generation.

　The power train will be changed from the first FA20 type 2L horizontally opposed 4-cylinder DOHC (207ps / 21.6kgm in the late model MT car) to the FA24 type 2.4L horizontally opposed DOHC (231ps / 25.4kgm) as well as the new BRZ. ..

　Initially, the 86 was scheduled to undergo a full model change this year, just like the BRZ, but here comes the information that interests me.

　That's because President Akio Toyoda issued a big command to the new 86 development team, saying, "Aim to differentiate performance from the BRZ." In response to this, it is almost certain that the new 86 will be released next year.

　Since it will be jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru this time, the new 86 and BRZ will be streamed on the same line. However, it is said that the development team is struggling against the unexpected "difficult problem" imposed by President Akio.

Specifically, the new 86 has one option to improve the feeling of acceleration by changing the gearing with the BRZ, and in some cases to change the engine tuning, and the BRZ immediately after riding. The goal is to finish it so that you can see the difference.

　Even if it takes time to debut, I'd like to expect and wait.

[Sasquachulator]

So the rumor is now it might be delayed to 2022 in order to differentiate it from the BRZ performance wise?

No idea what that means but it probably means im not waiting for the next 86 unless i cant find an ideal current gen one by the end of this year.....

I dunno what it is with toyota but it sounds like a bunch of their stuff that they were planning on releasing this year is getting pushed back for some reason....

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

So the rumor is now it might be delayed to 2022 in order to differentiate it from the BRZ performance wise?

No idea what that means but it probably means im not waiting for the next 86 unless i cant find an ideal current gen one by the end of this year.....

I dunno what it is with toyota but it sounds like a bunch of their stuff that they were planning on releasing this year is getting pushed back for some reason....

With such a small number of cars being produced, would it make sense to offer different performance engines/transmissions that would surely increase costs? And why would Toyota want to bring the performance of the 86 any closer to that of the Zupra? IMHO, if Toyota severely delays the launch of the 86 from the BRZ, they will lose potential sales to those that want a twin sooner rather than later.

[gymratter]

if its true it could just mean they are still tuning it different from the BRZ; rather than different engines & tranny.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dunno what it is with toyota but it sounds like a bunch of their stuff that they were planning on releasing this year is getting pushed back for some reason....

I reckon there is a lot of 'marketing spin' to justify the fact Covid interruptions to supply chains and manufacturing have pushed back a lot of new car releases and car manufacturing in general.

Instead of Toyota saying 'We've had to delay the release of the new 86 due to Covid disruption, so we have delayed the reveal so it is closer to the sale time,' the spin is 'President Akio wants the 86 to have enhanced performance feel compared to the BRZ.' Yeah, right. Nose and tail styling, and a few trim pieces, that will be the main difference if it is like gen 1.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by gymratter

article from bestcar with crappy google translation

https://bestcarweb.jp/news/260678

I'm surprised to hear them suggesting changing something like the drivetrain, that seems very odd considering the single manufacturing plant and low cost objectives.

Surely suspension is enough.

But bestcar have a decent record on the new gen, if not quite 100 percent accurate on the details.

Clearly its a rumor, but I can't see any benefit of delaying a launch of what will be viewed as a twin no matter what they change. I mean, I assume if the journalists fall in love with the BRZ and it gets to release and they will then of course pick up all the early sales - what's the gain for Toyota?

They actually risk losing any connection to awards the BRZ might receive, initial sales drive, and run the risk of journalists NOT liking the changes and driving a narrative of it being the inferior model. That is a big risk to take!

[Spuds]

Or it could just be a plot to not have to deal with first year production issues. If it really is delayed a year that is.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I'm surprised to hear them suggesting changing something like the drivetrain, that seems very odd considering the single manufacturing plant and low cost objectives.

It's really not a big manufacturing challenge to put different drivetrains in the same car, look at all the variations in things like the Camaro, Mustang and Dodge products.

That said, it does add cost to the engineering, and it seems very unlikely Toyota would do this.

[Dzmitry]

I doubt it's about first year production issues. I am sure in the end it's quite simple - make some general changes to differentiate it. Sounds fancy in words, but it will probably end up as different as the initial FRS was from the BRZ with slightly different suspension tuning and obviously minor changes in looks on the insides and out. Possibly different packages offered, etc.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It's really not a big manufacturing challenge to put different drivetrains in the same car, look at all the variations in things like the Camaro, Mustang and Dodge products.

That said, it does add cost to the engineering, and it seems very unlikely Toyota would do this.

Yes, but it's easy to point out those particular vehicles, as they sell PLENTY more than these will.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Yes, but it's easy to point out those particular vehicles, as they sell PLENTY more than these will.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the additional cost is not in the manufacturing for the most part, it's in the engineering.

Adding even a small amount of additional power would require a lot of reengineering of the vehicle, more than can be justified for a low volume car, particularly if that engineering is being done after the initial design, I would think.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Fantasizing a little, the ND Miata sharing its platform with the Fiat 124, with the Mazda having 1.5 or 2 liter NA engines and the Fiat having a 1.4 turbo engine (with both being built by Mazda in Japan). Following that logic dare we hope that Toyota will put a small turbo engine? Perhaps the one from the GR4 Yaris? It's not much more powerful, although it is quite a bit torqueier, so probably would require an uprated transmission (and diff?). Mazda and Fiat did it, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can as well!

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the additional cost is not in the manufacturing for the most part, it's in the engineering.

Adding even a small amount of additional power would require a lot of reengineering of the vehicle, more than can be justified for a low volume car, particularly if that engineering is being done after the initial design, I would think.

They can use this time to tweak the final gear ratio (not whole transmission), a different engine calibration and suspension. Those shouldn’t be anything that would break the bank.

[Cephas]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Fantasizing a little, the ND Miata sharing its platform with the Fiat 124, with the Mazda having 1.5 or 2 liter NA engines and the Fiat having a 1.4 turbo engine (with both being built by Mazda in Japan). Following that logic dare we hope that Toyota will put a small turbo engine? Perhaps the one from the GR4 Yaris? It's not much more powerful, although it is quite a bit torqueier, so probably would require an uprated transmission (and diff?). Mazda and Fiat did it, I'm sure Subaru and Toyota can as well!

That's an interesting idea, but I sorta hope they don't. The Subaru motor was actually one of the selling points in the 86 for me. Toyota's powerplants are (largely) so soulless.