Which model year to look for?

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by HaXx

if im not mistaken, all the differences between the years are in this database, but the tldr is that these changes between years are insignificant when compared to an affordable upgrade like RCE Yellow springs



https://demos.starbase7.net/t3Portal/

the 17 has a better header and intake manifold, adding up to a whopping 5 more bhp

I don't think a change that is any less than 5% in power is even worth considering.

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[HaXx]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I don't think a change that is any less than 5% in power is even worth considering.

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yes, but i know the senior members are reading over this ready to outline their rationale for buying a newer, if not a new twin, and i cant discount their opions because they make solid statements.

we always go back and forth a little bit, i always say used and boost it, they say new and stop messing up your car. im in not going to say theyre wrong

[86TOYO2k17]

Here is the 17 changes.
17s had the most substantial changes vs any year to year change.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1523888034

Section 2.3 and 2.4 being the most relevant. That and a 4.3 FD instead of the old 4.1.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by HaXx

yes, but i know the senior members are reading over this ready to outline their rationale for buying a newer, if not a new twin, and i cant discount their opions because they make solid statements.



we always go back and forth a little bit, i always say used and boost it, they say new and stop messing up your car. im in not going to say theyre wrong

Newer may be better. But 5hp isn't shit. It wasn't worth Subarus time and money to even pursue it because no one is going to buy a new car over 5hp. And that's the goal right? To sell another car

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[Willpower]

I have to respectfully disagree that there isn’t much difference pre and post lift. I had access to a ‘14 FRS and drove or rode in it a lot, much of the time after I’d bought my ‘17 BRZ PP. The BRZ is quicker, SEEMED even quicker and more fun than it actually was due to the revised gearing, and the Sachs dampers made a huge difference. Car more planted yet better ride too. The BRZ is tighter, faster, more agile, more fun, and the Brembos make stopping fun also. Just my opinion but I think the Performance Package is the sweet spot of the first gen cars. Chose and kept it, even after strongly considering the tS. The lower profile, classier yet still somewhat aggressive look of the Performance Package won the day for me.

[Willpower]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Newer may be better. But 5hp isn't shit. It wasn't worth Subarus time and money to even pursue it because no one is going to buy a new car over 5hp. And that's the goal right? To sell another car

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That ‘17 revision is EXACTLY what made me finally pull the trigger, even though I liked the car from the time it premiered. So they sold one

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Newer may be better. But 5hp isn't shit. It wasn't worth Subarus time and money to even pursue it because no one is going to buy a new car over 5hp. And that's the goal right? To sell another car

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5hp is about 5% of the total changes.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

5hp is about 5% of the total changes.

But not total power

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[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

But not total power

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What I’m saying is All of the other changes are way more important then a measly 5hp no one cares about, and will most likely replace with FBO/tune.
Suspension upgrades
Nannies programmed more optimally
Brakes upgraded
Engine internals upgraded and strengthened
6MT gear box strengthened.
The 4.3 FD gear ratio instead of 4.1
The front bumper looks way better
Front and rear LEDs
New tach cluster
New wheels
More luxurious interior finish and feel.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

What I’m saying is All of the other changes are way more important then a measly 5hp no one cares about, and will most likely replace with FBO/tune.

Suspension upgrades

Nannies programmed more optimally

Brakes upgraded

Engine internals upgraded and strengthened

6MT gear box strengthened.

The 4.3 FD gear ratio instead of 4.1

The front bumper looks way better

Front and rear LEDs

New tach cluster

New wheels

More luxurious interior finish and feel.

Sure. My point is that hunting for the 5hp was a waste of development money. No one cares about it. The other stuff, sure, that might sell a car.

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[Opie]

Originally Posted by HaXx

the 2013's had the valve spring recall, of which i do not understand at all because try finding someone whos valve springs failed before they were recalled, it is just not a topic of discussion here. nobodys springs have ever failed, not sure why they were recalled.

Subaru clearly stated that they were recalling just over 400,000 vehicles (BRZ, FRS, Impreza & Crosstrek) for a potential valve spring issue that could affect less than 1% of the vehicles being recalled. Basically there was a batch of bad valve springs installed in about 4,000 cars, but Subaru had no idea which cars the springs were in so they recalled all 400,000.

This is why I have never had the recall done....if mine has a faulty spring in it, and it eventually breaks, Subaru will fix it when it breaks. Ne need to pull apart a perfectly good engine for something that may never happen....


OP, buy the lowest mile, newest car with the features you want you can afford. All years are good.

[Rkcs]

Thank you for everyone's input. i took time to read each one. I will have to settle for something between 2014 to 2016. The price for the 2017 from where i'm from is still close to buying a brand new one and is out of my budget. Hopefully i find one and be able to join this forum talks more frequently.

[Willpower]

Good luck with your search! Be patient, always take a friend with you to look a car over, if you feel funny about a deal, always walk away. Buy the nicest car you can find for the money and don’t settle. The exact car you want is out there and you’ll find it if you’re patient. Again, best of luck!

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I don't think a change that is any less than 5% in power is even worth considering.

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but it's not just about the power difference. they made significant reliability and rigidity changes both to the block and the overall car body in 2017, with minor body rigidity updates in 2015 as well if memory serves. yes, it was 'just 5hp' from the factory, but look over the changes-- it should support well over that 5hp in the aftermarket easily.

if/when i build a motor, i won't even consider using a pre-'17 block just for the extra webbing and reinforcement that isn't on the earlier motors that directly translates to better reliability under stress.

that all means that the later vehicles are an overall more solid platform to build off of for whatever one wants to do, and will likely hold up better long term than the older versions.

you don't know how many times i've debated getting a post-'17 just to get those motor and chassis improvements. but it means starting over with what i have, and subaru broke one of my rules jamming a backlit lcd in the gauge cluster for minimal benefit.