Which car is most like the FT-86/FR-S/BRZ?

[cassidy0998]

Which car that's currently on the market do you feel has the most in common with the FT-86/FR-S/BRZ in terms of price/performance/looks etc. If you had to pick one car to compare it to, what would it be?

Or simply put, what will its closest rival be?

[Kostamojen]

370z - Two seater 300hp+ pure sports car
MX-5 - Two seater convertible
Genesis Coupe - HEAVY RWD 2+2 with a bit of power
RX-8 - Midweight 2+2 with a low-torque Rotary
G37 - Expensive 2+2 Luxury RWD coupe
BMW 1 series - Expensive RWD compact car

RX-8 is really the only thing close, but its also going to be more expensive not to mention soon to be discontinued.

The MX-5 and Genesis coupe compete pricewise and will be the more direct competition.

The 370z is basically a setup up from the BRZ/FRS while the 1-Sieres and G37 are higher end cars and won't directly compete.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if people cross shop ALL of these cars...

[Neutral_Eyes]

RX-8 or Silvia.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

RX-8 - Midweight 2+2 with a low-torque Rotary

the rx8 has more torque than the frs

[RRnold]

Currently on the market, I believe it'll be the Genesis Coupe 2.0T

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the rx8 has more torque than the frs

I said low torque, not less torque :p

The torque/HP ratio of the RX8 makes it more similar to the BRZ/FRS than the power numbers from the other cars.

[coyote]

No contest - RX8.

[Eldorian]

I vote RX 8.

Slightly bigger, slightly more powerful (to weight), slightly more practical (no idea here really, never seen an image of someone in the backseat of a Toybaru), but closest overall.

As a current RX8 owner, I'm considering the BRZ only if the back seat is usable for an average sized human male. If you can fit a 180 pound, 5 foot 11 man in the back (which you can easily in the RX8) I might be getting a new car.

Edit: Also, the driving position must be lower slung. I owned a Miata before the RX8 and I miss the driving position most of all.

[cassidy0998]

I pretty much agree with what you guys have said above. I too went for the RX-8. 2+2, price looks like it will probably be fairly close, more of a driver's car than a stoplight monster.

I know that the 370Z is a $30k+ car, but we don't know the price range yet, so I had to throw it in there. And since I threw the 370Z in there, the G37 is essentially a 2+2 version.. (even though much more expensive) so it went in as well.

Anyway, long story short - I've just heard a lot of people comparing the FT-86 to these cars. I tried to make the most realistic rivals list as possible.

What makes it kind of interesting though is that the RX-8 will have its final year (in the US) in 2013. What would be next on the list?

[Harinjo]

Nissan S13/S14

[spin9k]

RX-8 obviously. It's the only 2+2 with similar power/weight. Be interesting to have a go at the track ... one day next season ... will it be close or not? Anyone wanna place a bet????

[MrVito]

Though I voted RX8, since that seems to be the closest in performance for a new vehicle, I agree with the folks that said s13/s14. Though I would have to specify the Silvia K's/180sx. With an SR20DET in stock form, you're looking at very similar weight and power numbers to the FR-S/BRZ. Now the SR20DE and KA24DE powered s13/s14, no way, not even close.

BRZ/FR-S:
2570mm Wheelbase
4240mm Length
1285mm Height
1230kg
147 kW (200ps / 200hp) @7000rpm
151 lb-ft (205 N-m) @ 6600rpm

S14 Silvia:
2525mm Wheelbase
4498mm Length
1288mm Height
1253kg
162 kW (217 hp) @ 6000rpm
203 lb-ft (275 N-m) @ 4800rpm
(and as a fun note, both use a bore and stroke of 86mm X 86mm)

Then take into account the lower CoG, better weight distribution, of the FR-S, I would wager that performance numbers will be better than an S14 in the handling department, and trailing slightly in acceleration. Though a lot of that also depends on transmission and rear end gear ratio. Silvia's used a 4.08:1 rear end, not sure what the Subiyota will have.

[blur]

I for one would say miata. RX8 is a close second... but typically weighs much more, has four doors, and has a slightly bigger base sticker price than FR-S.

I would call the FT-86 a Miata coupe.

[Allch Chcar]

RX-8 is the closest on that list, IMHO. The SR20DE N/A and Turbo Silvias are similar too.

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

I said low torque, not less torque :p

The torque/HP ratio of the RX8 makes it more similar to the BRZ/FRS than the power numbers from the other cars.

The RX-8 is also a higher revving engine, at least in the high-output manual version. The pre'09s had 4.444 gears and the '09+ all have 4.777 gears. Though it is much heavier, 2012s curb at 3100lbs now.

Originally Posted by spin9k

RX-8 obviously. It's the only 2+2 with similar power/weight. Be interesting to have a go at the track ... one day next season ... will it be close or not? Anyone wanna place a bet????

I would bet the RX-8 would win most any race. But everywhere else including the DD kind of stuff, I am expecting/hoping the FT86 twins to beat it in all categories.