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I guess the question to ask is if the manual transmission rate in other countries is so high, is that because you believe there is large demand for a manual transmission, or do you believe that the supply of manuals is high, so the take is high? I'm also a used car buyer. I would rather buy a slightly-used, seasoned, proven car from a reliable buyer than buy new car and pay the premium. As such is the case, I don't contribute to the demand for manual transmissions. I have to rely on other buyers to create the demand. As the average car gets more expensive, and as the average buyer of new cars get older, the take rate for manual transmissions will drop that much more. For instance, is it any surprise that the percentage of buyers who chose a manual BRZ was higher than the percentage of buyers who chose a manual C7? Probably not, considering that the average age of the buyers of the Corvette are older. This makes it hard to find a used car that has a manual transmission because the demand is higher for used car buyers who tend to be younger and supply is proportionally less. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/21/...smission-take/ Just to add another factor, this country has lost the sedan and estate car in favor of SUVs and crossovers, which could also have something to do with the fall of the manual transmission. My buddy had a Tacoma with a manual transmission, and it had the longest throws ever. Tall, upright seat-heights don't make for the best manual experiences.
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Honestly, I don't think there is any way to know. The problem is there are only a very small percentage of cars that are ordered by the customer (is it even 1%?). They take what is on the lot, which means we buy what the manufacturers think we want but not what we really want. The only true way to know would be if a large number of buyers ordered rather than take spec-built cars from the lot.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...smission-cars/ Again, I go back to the other countries: if we lack demand for manuals here, or if we demand automatics here, then is it that the people in these other countries demand manuals, or are both options just equally on the lots, so they chose either because they are indifferent?
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I always seem to meet a lot of people who drive manual or enjoy it. Yet the increase in nannies basically says the majority, or perceived majority, are lazy as fuck. That's why we have lane keep assists, back up cameras, braking assist, ect. Shit, that's all the nanny stuff you used to see in video games. Now it's real life O_o
Either way, I will buy a manual transmission till they are extinct. Not when people think they will be, but when I physically cannot.
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"which button turns on the car" And you have 4 multiple choice options....and sadly, i believe there will still be enough people getting that wrong.... |
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Im here because I need help, my name is Red, I will only drive standard, People think I have become a manual snob. Reading these dire statistics have been causing me exedy more shudders when I think about what my next purchase has 2B. At this point Im even considering changing my name to Amanuelle as it won’t matter how its done anymore in the future. Is there hope I can be saved? |
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Ive talked to so many people that want a manual but when they can’t find one on a lot they end up settling for an auto. They want a manual but not enough to fight for one. It’s crazy to think these obstacles don’t impact take rates. |
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Manufactures would rather make one platform so as long as manual buyers aren’t walking away and refusing to settle for an auto then they will continue to only put autos on the lot and then pretend they didn’t know people actually want manual but can’t find them. Also, why would an identical car (86 vs BRZ) have such dramatically different stats on manual sales unless it’s related to what they put on the lots. |
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LOL to the "I talked to many people and they all want MTs" theme.
Talking to other car "enthusiasts" and saying they all agree is not a great sample. It is like going down to the local sailing club and asking if sail is better than power boats. Try going to your local mall and asking random people what they want and I bet you get a totally different response. The very fact that they still offer and sell many MT cars in other markets would show that they would sell them here as well if there was more demand. The demand just isn't worth their while and THEY know it. I love MT and will be sad to see them all go but I am not presumptuous enough to think that because a handful of people want them (in the big picture) that they are going to keep selling them. Lament the downfall of the manual but don't try to blame the manufacturers for a purely North Americian mindset!
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I assume you are quoting me. My core group of friends all met racing so I toss out their opinions because we are all %100 on the same page regarding manuals. I’m referring to family members and coworkers that aren’t heavily into cars. |
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The decline of manuals makes me think of another trend happening that of automakers pulling the plug on the whole segment of cheap small cars in NA. Yaris, Fit, Micra, Fiesta, Focus, Cruze, Mazda2, smart4two, Fiat 500,Sonic, Beetle, All gone! To some this is no great loss. Its not coincidental a lot of those were bought without the Aught-too-matic option to keep the price down… In the Crosstrek tread I mentioned 2 people not getting any support from their local dealer when inquiring for a manual. What I did not mention was these 2 people were 2 older ladies in their early 60's who still have active lifestyles and can still appreciate a manual. The local dealer’s sales bluff backfired on him when they both did a the 1000KM trip (or 500KM one way) to the neighbouring town where that Suby dealer was quite happy to get them each one. Definitely not your typical car/SUV buyers to go to this effort to get what they really wanted. Last edited by The Red One; 03-02-2021 at 10:27 AM. Reason: Looked up the mileage and comes to 574 Km or close to 7Hr trip for them... |
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