Failure After J02 Recall - Discussion Threads

[aemravan]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Originally Posted by @ermax

"Most wear on bearings comes from cold starts. I call bs on their theory. Avoiding redline, cold starts and low oil conditions saves bearings but most of all, avoiding blockage from sealant will save bearings".

Note: I brought this over from the registry thread so as not to dilute that thread.


Do you reckon that is just true for the FA20 engine or all engines.

(or did I misunderstand?)

If it's just for the FA20 engine, why is that so? Isn't their enough residual oil on the rod bearings to give sufficient lubrication until the engine builds up enough oil pressure to feed the bearings?

If you figure that's true for all engines, how come I've never had a spun bearing in any of the 40 some vehicles I've had over the past 50 years?




humfrz

just realized what you were asking, for that particular situation those stop and go trips 10 minutes at a time aren't really "cold start" conditions. So i can MAYBE see where their theory is coming from, however, it would only have increased the bearing life marginally if any at all by allowing it to 'cool" down in between drives.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by aemravan

just realized what you were asking, for that particular situation those stop and go trips 10 minutes at a time aren't really "cold start" conditions. So i can MAYBE see where their theory is coming from, however, it would only have increased the bearing life marginally if any at all by allowing it to 'cool" down in between drives.

Yeah I’m still not buying their theory. He probably just didn’t have as much contamination as others and avoids redline more than others.

[used2likeit]

Originally Posted by ermax

Yeah I’m still not buying their theory. He probably just didn’t have as much contamination as others and avoids redline more than others.

It's not their theory, it's mine. Nobody is admitting anything, only finger pointing.


I saw a couple blobs of metal shavings, a nice scoring line on the bearing, and gunk. The seal job on the cover didn't look too great, but I'm no expert to judge that.


I don't redline the car, and most of my driving from the recall to failure was street driving 10 mins at a time (home->daycare dropoff->work and vice versa). My theory is that it's a gentler regime on a bearing that is starved of oil, or has some crap lodged in it, which is why my failure took longer to manifest after the recall than others (3000km according to the dealer, I don't have the papers to check on me).

[subaru]

Anybody catch this; https://www.torquenews.com/1084/leak...utback-quality

I had been thinking I'd check one out haha

[Joon525]

Originally Posted by subaru

Anybody catch this; https://www.torquenews.com/1084/leak...utback-quality

I had been thinking I'd check one out haha

There's a lot of people who probably look to this thread for serious insight/help and the topic in that link is, well....off topic.
It's probably better off posted in another thread.

[Xander_FRS]

For those who've had the post-recall failure, how long did it take for Toyota/Subaru to fix their issue?

I'm at over 3 months and the dealer is still waiting to obtain all the parts needed to fix the engine.


The new short block was received however the camshafts are backordered and the dealer has no clue when they will receive it from Toyota Canada.


What's more frustrating is that I personally asked Toyota Canada for an update weeks ago on my case and they contacted me saying the part should arrive at the dealership a week from then. Weeks later and still nothing...

[sneaky_pete]

Don’t know if this has been discussed, but here is another theory on the failures.

I ran into one of my lifelong friends today. He is a mechanic for Toyota, very smart and very good – he was the top apprentice in Australia for his year so he knows his stuff.

He has done quite a few valve spring recalls but his first one failed. He pulled the engine down and two of the main bearings had failed, they weren’t spun, just lost their protective coating and the engine was making a racket. He didn’t find any excess sealant anywhere – there was a very small amount on the oil pickup that was a different colour to the sealant he used and he reckoned that it was there when the engine was first built and the block was put together.

His theory is oil starvation on start-up. Oil is completely drained during the recall work and this includes the oil pump. On first start the oil pump is not primed so it takes extra time for the pump to start circulating oil. Oil has to go through the pump, up to the filter and back down to where it apparently then splits off three ways to start lubricating the engine. The two bearings that failed were in sequential firing order.

He now pumps five litres of oil around the engines he does the recalls on before starting them. He does this by using a pressurised gas bottle to blast oil into the engine by taking the oil pressure switch out and screwing the hose from the bottle into that. He also did this on the car where he had the first failure because this engine wasn’t rebuilt – they gave the customer a new short block engine. So concerned was he about ‘priming’ the engine with oil.

[Yoshoobaroo]

I thought the techs prime the oil pump by cranking the starter with the gas pedal all the way down?

[maslin]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I thought the techs prime the oil pump by cranking the starter with the gas pedal all the way down?

It is in the updated work instructions, I don't believe it was in the early documents.

Explains the failure rate tapering off, as well as increased experience and awareness of the problem.




As a tech, when you're handed a large flat rate job, especially the first time, the goal is to break even. You never want to lose money. Down the road you know you'll beat the time and life will be good.

Those first few times are tough, especially if you're watching the clock. 7 out of 12 hours in and you haven't got the engine timed, shit, hurry up. 11 out of 12, exhaust studs won't line up, screw it run them on.

3 or 4 jobs in you feel better about it, know what tools to grab, only really have to look up torque specs, etc etc etc. It all comes with experience.

[AmphOne]

Originally Posted by Xander_FRS

For those who've had the post-recall failure, how long did it take for Toyota/Subaru to fix their issue?

I'm at over 3 months and the dealer is still waiting to obtain all the parts needed to fix the engine.


The new short block was received however the camshafts are backordered and the dealer has no clue when they will receive it from Toyota Canada.


What's more frustrating is that I personally asked Toyota Canada for an update weeks ago on my case and they contacted me saying the part should arrive at the dealership a week from then. Weeks later and still nothing...

Xander_FRS :
Same here, but not as long. My FRS has been at the dealership since mid-May also awaiting a single camshaft. They haven't begun the teardown yet. Time may be extended further pending what else they find. Work was estimated to begin next week (originally mid-June).

I feel your pain.

[Ichima]

Originally Posted by AmphOne

Xander_FRS :
Same here, but not as long. My FRS has been at the dealership since mid-May also awaiting a single camshaft. They haven't begun the teardown yet. Time may be extended further pending what else they find. Work was estimated to begin next week (originally mid-June).

I feel your pain.

I just got my car hopefully running healthy. It was with the dealership from Late January until Mid June.

[REDWINE FRS13]

I am in Calgary, alberta, Canada. Did the recall on May 3rd. June 30th, Car died on side of road. Shifting went array, then into the redline, then stopped ! I drive automatic. Engine would not start, with a booster sounded really bad, but never drove, had towed to Toyota. Waiting on my car as we speak, will update.

Would love any others in my area to give their feedback if done.

[Little Mt. Fuji]

Car has about 86,000 miles and this happened 1600 miles of driving after J02 recall preformed by Sansone Automall in NJ

Soooo... I spun my main bearings today on my drive. Slight knocking turned into loud knocking and power loss... Pulled over and opened my hood... Revved to confirm knocking and sure did it knock... thought cylinder 4 was getting getting a case of Claustrophobia and wanted to say hello by punching a window through the block (ironically "Here Comes The Sun" by the Beatles was playing). Turned car off so I could cry a little bit... After a box and a half of tissues later I decided to check dipstick, found nothing... Looked underneath oil fill cap and there is a piece of sealant chilling by the threads... So yeah... Looks like the tech who worked on my car likes extra frosting on his cupcakes when he bakes with his mama. Hopefully your boi doesn't have to dish out $6k for a new(used but new to me) engine and the dealer can make it rain with a brand new short block and cams... If not... well... Im screwed... Money status: broke college student

Have a better day than me!

...maybe i should play the lotto...
...or roulette and play at the casino...
...nah, already lost enough money on this slow car...

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Little Mt. Fuji

……….. If not... well... Im screwed... Money status: broke college student

Have a better day than me!

...maybe i should play the lotto...
...or roulette and play at the casino...
...nah, already lost enough money on this slow car...

Well, that sucks -

Hopefully the dealership will make it right.

If not, I suggest you sell what's left of it, take public transportation or bike or walk to classes, focus on your studies, graduate, get a good job - then buy another car.

Pretty straightforward - huh - ?

PS - you have the rest of your life to waste on cars -


humfrz