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Old 10-23-2019, 05:35 PM   #99
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F20C is the 2.0L in the S2000. The one the revs to the moon
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Miata. S2K. What's the difference?
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:43 PM   #101
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This wins.

But really.. going over the speed limit is dangerous and you can get a ticket.

What's the rush. Just leave 5mins earlier.
And you still don't understand. Top speed has nothing to do with it. A slow car can travel at high speed given time and gearing.

Power and torque are about acceleration, Δv. A "fast" car that can accelerate quickly can maneuver easier than a slow car. You have more options in traffic. Sometimes you have more control on curves if you know how to use the power.

My dad likes to say that he drives a fast car so that he doesn't have to drive fast. People in slow cars find themselves driving fast trying to get ahead of situations a fast car can just Δv out of.
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Old 10-23-2019, 06:39 PM   #102
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could you please tell me which modern longitudinal 4 cyl engines you are comparing the FA20 to? thanks
Naturally aspirated engines that have qualities (not necessarily power) better than the FA20:

-F20C I4: 2.0L Honda S2000 engine (240 HP) Unique characteristics: Revs to 9,000 rpm, sounds amazing, literally bulletproof up to ~700 HP
-F22C I4: 2.2L Honda S2000 engine (240 HP) Unique characteristics: Revs to 8,200 rpm, sounds amazing, literally bulletproof up to ~700 HP
-D-4S I4: 2.5L in Toyota Camry/Rav4 (206 HP) Unique characteristics: Lightweight, high torque (literally 30 more torque than us and that's on 87 octane), one of the most thermally efficient ICE's in human history
-Skyactive I4: 2.0L in 2019+ Mazda Miata (181 HP) Unique characteristics: Lightweight, revs higher, very high compression ratio, sounds amazing
-2ZZ-GE I4: Toyota Celica GT-S 1.8L (189 HP literally like 20+ years ago) Unique characteristics: Honda like valvetrain, revs to 8,200 rpm (US) or 8,600 rpm (JDM), literally bulletproof
-K20A2 I4: Honda Civic 2.0L (200 HP) Unique characteristics: Quite possibly the most reliable motorsports powertrain in history, VTEC, 8,250 rpm, literally bulletproof even with forced induction
-K24A2 I4: Acura TSX 2.4L (205 HP) Unique characteristics: literally bulletproof, VTEC, sounds amazing
-K24W7 I4: Acura TLX (present day) (206 HP) Unique characteristics: literally bulletproof, VTEC, sounds amazing
-B18C I4: Honda Civic (200 HP) Unique characteristics: VTEC, 8,200 redline, literally bulletproof
-R4 I4: BMW E30 M3 & M3 Evo III (192-238 HP ~25+ years ago) Unique characteristics: Sounds amazing, revs higher, motorsport oriented torque curve
-Renesis 1.3L Rotary: Mazda RX8 R3 (238 HP) Unique characteristics: Duh, it's a rotary, 9,000 rpm redline, smooth as silk

The vast majority of these engines are longitudinal and pro-tip: making an engine for a longitudinal application is extremely simple. Half the engines in list were originally developed for transverse platforms. Source: Engineer specializing in PT design, calibration, and NVH.

Stop making excuses and own up to the fact we have a very meh powertrain in an otherwise excellent car.
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-F20C I4: 2.0L Honda S2000 engine (240 HP) Unique characteristics: Revs to 9,000 rpm, sounds amazing, literally bulletproof up to ~700 HP
I loved my ap1!
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I want 300 more hp, but without compromising on weight or handling, AND not costing a 100k dollars... aaand GO..

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Old 10-24-2019, 12:35 AM   #108
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#theslowsareatitagain...........#votetoban

if someone says you dont need more horsepower then its time to block them, dont need that kind of negativity in your life....
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My FA20 is fine power wise, running 8psi.

I also thought that it handled really average stock with the Sachs shocks and dampers, so much so they didn't last 6 months.

The OEM tyres are crap.

Most importantly though.....

Who gives a fuck what people think, do what you want, stop whinging about what others do.

Why do people sweat the irrelevant stuff?

Flaming whinging mongrels.

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Thanks to the engineering skill of Toyota and Subaru, our Toybaru has a great chassis that can handle much more power than the 200 hp produced by the FA20, hence there has been pleas from day 1 for more power. And further enhancement to the chassis only makes the pleas grow louder. Special editions of the Toybaru with slightly higher power have been grossly insufficient to quell the desire for more power.

Among many other factors, Tada-san has maintained that a 'balance' needs to be maintained, and the pleas for more power seem to have fallen on deaf ears. Of course, more power requires bigger brakes, radiators, fuel tank, wheels/tyres, etc. Just as important, is the driving skill of the driver. Currently, the Toybaru doesn't have enough power to overwhelm the chassis, but that 'safety margin' may be eroded if much more power is added. Therefore, most of the changes made to the Toybaru has been focused on improving the chassis, leaving the owners to add power to their taste.

There are ways to make the Toybaru go faster, eg lighter wheels, carbon graphite drive shaft, 2-piece brake rotors, freeflow exhaust, tuning of ECU, lighter flywheel, etc. Even Tada-san admitted that he was very impressed by the after-market offerings for the Toybaru, so much so that the 2016 face-lift was changed in scope and delayed, after taking into account of the development in the after-market.

Of course more power is more fun. I don't race my Toybaru and there is more power than I can use on the road 95% of the time. It matters little to me if that % goes up to 98%. I am very happy with the handling and agility of the Toybaru 100% of the time. The mods (carbon graphite drive-shaft, super-light wheels, 2-piece brake rotors) I installed make the Toybaru accelerate notably faster, even though I didn't increase any power, per se.
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Your east coast is showing. Out west their interstate speed limits are 75, and even at 90MPH you're unlikely to catch other drivers.
You've obviously never driven the interstates in NC, GA or FL (or most of the Southeast and gulf states from my experience).

For that matter just I285 around Atlanta which everyone treats as their own personal NASCAR track.
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