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11-04-2021, 04:37 PM
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Likely the first FA2/4 hybrid incoming
Ordered a brand new FA24 short-block once the part numbers were published. It is due to arrive November 15th.
Plan is to build using the FA24 short-block with FA20 heads, similar to the EJ20/25 hybrid builds done on the older WRX's. This will be installed in my 2013 BRZ (using the 2015 wire harness, coils, sensors, etc) and run with an Ecutek tune. Lots of unknowns with this...good news is the cylinder heads share the same oil and coolant passages and the head gaskets, when laid on top of one another are identical other than the bore size. The short block external size is identical to the FA20, The cylinder heads are very, very similar to one another (FA24 uses slightly different intake port sizes and shape and has a slightly longer intake valve length, and there are some changes to the oiling system on the FA24 that may require some other parts mingling between the two... Currently on order: FA24 Short-block FA24 Engine Gasket set FA20 Rocker cover gaskets (different than FA24 because it uses plastic rocker covers) FA20 Intake Manifold gaskets Expect to need, haven't ordered: FA24 front timing cover/oil pump FA24 Upper oil pan FA24 Oil Baffle FA24 Oil Pickup FA24 Oil Pan (Very similar looking, but different part number) Watch along and see what happens...if it all goes together, if it runs, what parts from each series are needed, what power can be wrangled out of it and more.... So far I've started tearing down the donor FA20 waiting for the FA24 parts to arrive....
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11-04-2021, 04:57 PM
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What's the purpose of using the FA20 heads? So we know that they flow better than the 24s?
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11-04-2021, 05:11 PM
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When I saw Hybrid I thought you connected an electric motor between the engine and transmission. This a Frankenstein like the K20/K24. Glad to see someone doing this swap so soon. I’m sure this thread will be super helpful for many people.
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11-04-2021, 05:55 PM
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Didn't realize the short block part numbers where available. I will be watching this intently. Curious if the 2.4 piston clears the cylinder head and what the CR would be. There looks to be plenty of room to mill them if need be.
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Biggest question I think is the timing cover! better hope no holes were changed on the upper oil pan/heads Quote:
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Unless you know one head flows more than the other there is no point unless chamber artificially raises compression? Just flow the K24 versus k20 heads before you get carried away.
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Don't think this is for flow reasons. Its a cheaper alternative to get a "built" block for FA20 but also gain 400cc. if successful you get to use the same cam sensors /vvt /engine harness and FA20 ECU that is already supported for tuning. I wonder if the wrx STI FA24 short block might even fit in here
It could become a good upgrade for Gen1 instead of getting like a crawford / IAG built block Also his FA20 heads are probably free haha... so many blown FA20s Quote:
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I shall dub this build.....
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