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Old 08-06-2022, 11:11 AM   #2941
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SUV is just the modern station wagon. The generation that grew up with station wagons were too cool for station wagons, but boy were they practical, so they lifted them and gave them a different name.
That's a better way of saying it.
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Old 08-06-2022, 02:16 PM   #2942
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Could go back to the minivan era that I sort of skipped. The height does help in winter but yes it is overkill for most of the year.
I have never driven an electric SUV yet so have no idea how they actually drive. Distinctly possible that had I convinced her to try one I may have been the one to change my mind.
I was going to mention the minivan phase. To me the Chevy Astro was the perfect family car. It wasn't technically a minivan, you could load it with up to 6 people comfortably, 7 if the three in the back were kids, it was easy to get in and out of, and it would tow about 6,000 pounds without breathing hard. We had two of them with over 500,000 miles between them.

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My thoughts, SUVs came about because everyone who has kids now grew up with the shitty minivans in the 80s and 90s. It was a sign of giving up and being practical/cheap. On the other hand, people who drove SUVs were interesting. And everyone wants to feel like they are cool.
Yep, hit the nail on the head.

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SUV is just the modern station wagon. The generation that grew up with station wagons were too cool for station wagons, but boy were they practical, so they lifted them and gave them a different name.
I would say a crossover is more station wagon than an SUV. SUV is a truck with a bed cover, crossover is a "fat stationwagon". Jay Leno, in his review of the Lyriq calls it that, and the GM engineer cringes because, you know, marketing.
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Old 08-06-2022, 03:09 PM   #2943
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My impression, from limited reading, is that the first gen Leaf was a pos. That is, the battery had zero cooling and after a couple of years the range dropped significantly.My impression, from limited reading, is that the first gen Leaf was a pos. That is, the battery had zero cooling and after a couple of years the range dropped significantly.
i'm aware. however, my standard commute is 3 miles a day. 15miles at most.

it stands to be the cheapest way for me to get into an ev while still having something large enough to have 4 wheels and air bags.

nissan's otherwise run on sucking the soul and will to live out of their owners, so i'm also aware of lifespan costs to owning one
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She would have wanted a larger SUV EV. They have much better ranges.
We have all sorts of charging infrastructure popping up all over around here. At they rate they are appearing it will just be another year or two and that part of the argument against them will be gone.
it's great they're putting all sorts of effort into building the charging stations. now if only they'd put some effort into maintaining them...

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My thoughts, SUVs came about because everyone who has kids now grew up with the shitty minivans in the 80s and 90s. It was a sign of giving up and being practical/cheap. On the other hand, people who drove SUVs were interesting. And everyone wants to feel like they are cool.
yep. and that made way for this abomination:


all of the features with none of the convienence!

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I was going to mention the minivan phase. To me the Chevy Astro was the perfect family car.
i as going to mention the astro. 100% agree. it was one of gm's best offerings. the dodge variant is still highly sought after in japan.
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I would say a crossover is more station wagon than an SUV. SUV is a truck with a bed cover, crossover is a "fat stationwagon". Jay Leno, in his review of the Lyriq calls it that, and the GM engineer cringes because, you know, marketing.
My 1994 Rodeo was a lifted 4x4 station wagon. That was before the terms "suv" and "crossover" ever existed.
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My 1994 Rodeo was a lifted 4x4 station wagon. That was before the terms "suv" and "crossover" ever existed.
those were only cool in 2-door versions!
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For me, the thing that would make me consider a taller vehicle like a crossover, lifted wagon or an SUV is the advantage of eye height, of having a better view of what's around me. I often get boxed in by trucks, SUVs, minivans to the point where I can only guess what is happening beyond them. I'd like to know what's going on past the nearest vehicle. Another potential advantage to having eyes farther from the pavement is keeping them out of the glare zone of headlights. My 63-year-old eyes don't like being blinded.
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For me, the thing that would make me consider a taller vehicle like a crossover, lifted wagon or an SUV is the advantage of eye height, of having a better view of what's around me. I often get boxed in by trucks, SUVs, minivans to the point where I can only guess what is happening beyond them. I'd like to know what's going on past the nearest vehicle. Another potential advantage to having eyes farther from the pavement is keeping them out of the glare zone of headlights. My 63-year-old eyes don't like being blinded.
These are all the reasons my wife likes the larger SUVs.
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These are all the reasons my wife likes the larger SUVs.
Unfortunately, I also like driving a vehicle with a manual transmission. These days, the only "taller" vehicle that I'm aware of that offers one is a Jeep Wrangler, and I'm not an off-roader.
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Unfortunately, I also like driving a vehicle with a manual transmission. These days, the only "taller" vehicle that I'm aware of that offers one is a Jeep Wrangler, and I'm not an off-roader.
Toyota Tacoma offers it as well
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Unfortunately, I also like driving a vehicle with a manual transmission. These days, the only "taller" vehicle that I'm aware of that offers one is a Jeep Wrangler, and I'm not an off-roader.
Neither are the vast majority of actual Jeep owners!
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those were only cool in 2-door versions!
I thought mine was cool. White with black (no chrome), big tire option with 4 wheel disc, 5 speed MT, 4x4, manual locking hubs, limited slip, and 3.2L 24 valve V6. It took us everywhere pretty much trouble free for 285k miles. One of my favorite things is it had a real steel tailgate.
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Minivans make sense to me. They're actually incredibly sensible, just have an image problem. The lower deck makes for much easier loading/unloading vs most SUVs capable of actually hauling stuff (the micro/mini SUVs obviously don't have that kind of room). And they're easier to get into/out of than most SUVs too.
I don't know where Honda Oydessys fit into the scheme of things but I went a 3 night approx 800km trip in one. (I wasn't driving.) This was in 2011 so it was far from a current model. I thought it made a lot of sense and with Honda's ability to morph the inside layout it had more than enough room for 4 of us plus luggage. I thought it a large car as opposed to a van or suv.
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