Everyday Driver Compares GR86 to BRZ..

[JD001]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

And are the first that I've seen to talk about power delivery differences ..

@Tcoat photobombing again!!

[nikitopo]

Nice review.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by jeepmor

Same as before, Scion/86 more twitchy than the BRZ. And only 23 more horsepower, Weak. Still, these models and a boost package, those extra cc's come in handy for sure.

Also, wonder how much the ECU tuning is controlling the torque dip, is that entirely addressable at the tune level to make them all linear and upward like normal torque/hp profiles.

I do like the reports of a stiffer chassis too.

23hp? Have you not see any of the dyno's of the 2Gen? They were underrated regularly dynoing 40-50whp more. The torque dip, like the 1Gen cannot be resolved with tuning. It take a hardware change to the exhaust.

[drift86]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

And are the first that I've seen to talk about power delivery differences ..

These guys should learn the difference between 'power delivery' and 'throttle tuning'...

[DriveDriftDogfight86]

As someone who is leaning more towards the second-gen BRZ, hearing that it behaves like the first-gen and they wouldn’t buy it while the GR86 “feels faster” pissed me off. I’m already ticked that the BRZ doesn’t display exact oil temp numbers like the GR86. Now I’m gonna have to hunt down a 2022 BRZ on Turo to make sure it’s power delivery is as good as the GR86 I drove. I wanna call BS on that segment, but hopefully at some point I can compare both of them for myself.

[ravenwrx]

Originally Posted by DriveDriftDogfight86

As someone who is leaning more towards the second-gen BRZ, hearing that it behaves like the first-gen and they wouldn’t buy it while the GR86 “feels faster” pissed me off. I’m already ticked that the BRZ doesn’t display exact oil temp numbers like the GR86. Now I’m gonna have to hunt down a 2022 BRZ on Turo to make sure it’s power delivery is as good as the GR86 I drove. I wanna call BS on that segment, but hopefully at some point I can compare both of them for myself.

I currently own a 2018 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ (drive them back to back regularly). I would disagree with some parts of the review. The steering feel and weight of the 2018 BRZ is better and way heavier than the 2022. The 2022 is super light in comparison although on track I don't mind it at all. The throttle pedal in the 2018 BRZ is tuned just like the 2022 GR86. Push the gas pedal down 40% strength and the engine gets 100% power. The 2022 BRZ push the gas pedal down 40% strength and the engine gets 40% power, its really that simple. When I jump in the 2022 BRZ from driving the 2018 I have to recalibrate my foot as the throttle mapping is way different. I have driven the 2022 gr86 and my 2022 BRZ back to back and can say that when you give the gas pedal 100% throttle on both cars they pull the exact same. Hope this helps.

[chipmunk]

Turning the Traction Control off, or switching to Sport mode changes the throttle mapping on Gen 1 BRZs. So in this test video, was the BRZ tested with all aids on? Or did they turn them off?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by ravenwrx

I currently own a 2018 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ (drive them back to back regularly). I would disagree with some parts of the review. The steering feel and weight of the 2018 BRZ is better and way heavier than the 2022. The 2022 is super light in comparison although on track I don't mind it at all. The throttle pedal in the 2018 BRZ is tuned just like the 2022 GR86. Push the gas pedal down 40% strength and the engine gets 100% power. The 2022 BRZ push the gas pedal down 40% strength and the engine gets 40% power, its really that simple. When I jump in the 2022 BRZ from driving the 2018 I have to recalibrate my foot as the throttle mapping is way different. I have driven the 2022 gr86 and my 2022 BRZ back to back and can say that when you give the gas pedal 100% throttle on both cars they pull the exact same. Hope this helps.

I've never understood this line of reasoning. "Heavy steering feel" isn't necessarily better. As long as I can tell what the front is doing, I don't need an upper body workout out every time I drive a car.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Turning the Traction Control off, or switching to Sport mode changes the throttle mapping on Gen 1 BRZs. So in this test video, was the BRZ tested with all aids on? Or did they turn them off?

Where did you learn this? I don't recall there being any difference in throttle mapping. Just TCS and VSC intervention.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Where did you learn this? I don't recall there being any difference in throttle mapping. Just TCS and VSC intervention.

From the feel of the foot. Turning TC off always made the engine sound raspier. Not just pressing the TC button once, but press+hold for 5 sec. There was a more direct response to input when it was turned off, especially when climbing uphills at low speeds - like driving up a steep driveway.

[benzz280]

Exactly said, throttle response is tuned differently between them as echoed by this video as well:

Originally Posted by drift86

These guys should learn the difference between 'power delivery' and 'throttle tuning'...

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by benzz280

Exactly said, throttle response is tuned differently between them as echoed by this video as well:

That was very interesting, thanks for posting. For those that didn't watch, he drives the GR86 on track with both the PS4 215s and PS 235s, says the latter make the car a little more stable.

I'd love to go 235s in a PS A/S4 - hopefully the greater tire width would compensate for the slightly less grippy nature of the A/S tire and I'd have a car with about the same grip characteristics as stock but a) better looks (I find the stock tires look too skinny) and b) no need to swap on winter tires (I won't be driving this in snow of any significance). Oh also c) better protection from rim curb rash due to the sidewall being pushed out further from the rim.

Does anyone know if 235s will fit on the stock rims without any wear, rubbing, or handling issues? Update: a cursory online search points to 235s being a bit too wide for a 7.5" rim for optimal driving characteristics. Maybe a 225?

[Wrecky_Flowers_]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

That was very interesting, thanks for posting. For those that didn't watch, he drives the GR86 on track with both the PS4 215s and PS 235s, says the latter make the car a little more stable.

I'd love to go 235s in a PS A/S4 - hopefully the greater tire width would compensate for the slightly less grippy nature of the A/S tire and I'd have a car with about the same grip characteristics as stock but a) better looks (I find the stock tires look too skinny) and b) no need to swap on winter tires (I won't be driving this in snow of any significance). Oh also c) better protection from rim curb rash due to the sidewall being pushed out further from the rim.

Does anyone know if 235s will fit on the stock rims without any wear, rubbing, or handling issues? Update: a cursory online search points to 235s being a bit too wide for a 7.5" rim for optimal driving characteristics. Maybe a 225?

Those tires in 235 will work fine on the stock wheels, but they will look a bit pinched (which sounds like what you're looking for). There are plenty of people putting much wider tires on the stock wheels for autocross and track driving, so you should be fine.

[benzz280]

From another reviewer who drove all 4 models back to back and highlighted their throttle responses:

HE also commented on the different behaviors from each car due to their suspension differences. This should provide more insights as to which model to choose based on own's preferences.

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

That was very interesting, thanks for posting. For those that didn't watch, he drives the GR86 on track with both the PS4 215s and PS 235s, says the latter make the car a little more stable.

I'd love to go 235s in a PS A/S4 - hopefully the greater tire width would compensate for the slightly less grippy nature of the A/S tire and I'd have a car with about the same grip characteristics as stock but a) better looks (I find the stock tires look too skinny) and b) no need to swap on winter tires (I won't be driving this in snow of any significance). Oh also c) better protection from rim curb rash due to the sidewall being pushed out further from the rim.

Does anyone know if 235s will fit on the stock rims without any wear, rubbing, or handling issues? Update: a cursory online search points to 235s being a bit too wide for a 7.5" rim for optimal driving characteristics. Maybe a 225?