Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Literally every body panel is different. This may not come over well in pictures, but in the metal I think the second gen looks more cohesive than the first gen.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Literally every body panel is different. This may not come over well in pictures, but in the metal I think the second gen looks more cohesive than the first gen.

Again, details.

The overall shape and size is almost the same.

From 100 feet away you could hardly tell the difference.

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Again, details.

The overall shape and size is almost the same.

From 100 feet away you could hardly tell the difference.

You can't spot the details from 100 feet away. A 996 and 997 looks dated yet it is the general 911 shape. Ask any avg person, when they see a 992 vs a 996/997 (and dare i say a 991), they will be able to tell you which is the newer car.

And like I mentioned, details is what defines a car in most cases. I am still of the opinion that a Gen2 looks nothing like a Gen1. If that was the case, there wouldn't be such a strong preference, in terms of cosmetic, from one gen to another. Again, dated doesn't mean bad. It it the natural evolution of time and car designs.

Like dadhawk suggested, let's agree to disagree on this one. But one thing i will give you, i do miss my Gen1 because of RTV!!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Literally every body panel is different. This may not come over well in pictures, but in the metal I think the second gen looks more cohesive than the first gen.

I've seen several gen 2 in person, can't say I agree about the cohesiveness of the new design.

Ultimately, that's why I wouldn't buy one, but I'm glad they built it, and I'm glad it has an audience.

[DarkSunrise]

Whenever a new version of a car is released, it by default makes the older version look dated. Just the way things work. Doesn’t mean the new version looks better, just that it looks newer (duh).

The biggest thing to me is, if you ever get a chance to see the gen 1 vs gen 2 Twins side by side in person, it’s immediately clear the gen 2 has more modern surfacing. There’s more depth to the design and fewer flat surfaces. Whether that appeals to you or not is subjective but personally it’s grown on me and definitely aged the 1st gen a bit now for me.

[new2subaru]

I've only seen a couple of Gen 2' driving by but thought they looked good. I don't think they look good enough to "upgrade" though.

I currently have a FR-S that will be a full on track car next spring. Roll bar, race seat and harness. It's difficult for me to compromise between track and street.

I'd like to get a 17-20 BRZ and do some OE+ cosmetic mods and SC it.

[Samba86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The difference in going from the very basic FRS to the well appointed 86 was also a huge improvement for my tastes'. I did not dislike the more basic things about the FRS but damn I missed my keyless entry/start and auto climate control that may previous 3 cars all had.

It's interesting to me that Toyota opted to push the FR-S as a bare-bones Scion for the NA market. For the rest of the world, the absolute majority of the cars (I read 10 to 1 premium vs base here in Oz) had the leather/alc, xenons, fogs, frameless rearview, keyless, dual climate etc from launch. But yeah, most reviews of the '22 default to comparing the interior of the launch FR-S with the new car. I have no major problems with the new interior (not a fan of the infotainment sticking out like a cheap fish-finder - the central air vents and the HVAC controls are a nicely done tho), but it's an incredibly similar place to sit compared to an equivalent spec GT86/86 GTS.

[Flarpswitch]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Whenever a new version of a car is released, it by default makes the older version look dated. Just the way things work. Doesn’t mean the new version looks better, just that it looks newer (duh).

I think that is true for the average run of the mill car, you know the ones that get the job done, but in the long term is forgettable. Take a name that has been around for a long time, the Corvette for instance. There are iterations of that car that are very desirable. Then there are some you can't give away. A friend recently picked up a Corvette in a horse trade thinking that he could turn it over for a modest profit. Very low miles and excellent condition, but in the end it was a break even proposition. However, it was part of a multi-vehicle trade and it got the deal done. The point is, if it was a Vette from another time, it would have been a keeper regardless of the style compared to the '23 Vette.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Flarpswitch

I think that is true for the average run of the mill car, you know the ones that get the job done, but in the long term is forgettable. Take a name that has been around for a long time, the Corvette for instance. There are iterations of that car that are very desirable. Then there are some you can't give away. A friend recently picked up a Corvette in a horse trade thinking that he could turn it over for a modest profit. Very low miles and excellent condition, but in the end it was a break even proposition. However, it was part of a multi-vehicle trade and it got the deal done. The point is, if it was a Vette from another time, it would have been a keeper regardless of the style compared to the '23 Vette.

Don't get me wrong, aged/dated cars can still be very desirable. C2 Corvette is a great example. Generally agreed to be a good looking car and the astronomical prices reflect that, but it's also extremely outdated/anachronistic looking today.

The Corvette line is interesting. I don't think the C7 looks dated even today, but I think that's largely because the C8 is a complete clean-sheet design that's not even a FR layout anymore. If the C8 had instead further evolved the C7 body, I think the C7 would have started to look more dated.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Samba86

It's interesting to me that Toyota opted to push the FR-S as a bare-bones Scion for the NA market. For the rest of the world, the absolute majority of the cars (I read 10 to 1 premium vs base here in Oz) had the leather/alc, xenons, fogs, frameless rearview, keyless, dual climate etc from launch. But yeah, most reviews of the '22 default to comparing the interior of the launch FR-S with the new car. I have no major problems with the new interior (not a fan of the infotainment sticking out like a cheap fish-finder - the central air vents and the HVAC controls are a nicely done tho), but it's an incredibly similar place to sit compared to an equivalent spec GT86/86 GTS.

It's because Scion was always supposed to be the "budget" youth brand.

That being said, the only thing out of that list that I was bummed to not have on my '13 were the fog lights. Dual zone climate control in a cabin this small always seemed ridiculous to me, and I'll never really understand the fascination with Alcantra. The other stuff is neat but not worth the extra cost or weight.

Maybe it's because I came to the FRS from older, inexpensive cars, but I was (and continue to be) perfectly content with the interior materials. Fit and finish were certainly a bit lacking, but apparently that's normal for Subaru so whatever.

Anyway, it's all about that base (model).

[Samba86]

Originally Posted by Dake

It's because Scion was always supposed to be the "budget" youth brand.

That being said, the only thing out of that list that I was bummed to not have on my '13 were the fog lights. Dual zone climate control in a cabin this small always seemed ridiculous to me, and I'll never really understand the fascination with Alcantra. The other stuff is neat but not worth the extra cost or weight.

Maybe it's because I came to the FRS from older, inexpensive cars, but I was (and continue to be) perfectly content with the interior materials. Fit and finish were certainly a bit lacking, but apparently that's normal for Subaru so whatever.

Anyway, it's all about that base (model).

Not dissing bare-bones and affordable! The take-up on FRS specced models being so low (in the rest of the world) makes you wonder if they could have been more successful with a Toyota branded, high spec model from launch. Biggest upgrade in my mind is the xenons for night driving. It's illegal to run fogs here (when there's no fog) so they're useless for me.

[Ace23_BRZ]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Second gen is butt ugly. I don't buy butt ugly cars.

LoL, guess I didn't have to scroll down too far...you took the words right out of my mouth.

I love the body style of my 1st Gen! Haha, but that's my .02

[WNDSRFR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That was part of my rationalizing buying it yes!

So many talk like the 13s were the only ones ever made when really there were incremental "improvements" (or at least changes depending on your likes) every year. The difference in going from the very basic FRS to the well appointed 86 was also a huge improvement for my tastes'. I did not dislike the more basic things about the FRS but damn I missed my keyless entry/start and auto climate control that may previous 3 cars all had.

So the '13 was the equivalent of the 240Z. It has evolved into the 260Z. When will it devolve into the 280Z?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WNDSRFR

So the '13 was the equivalent of the 240Z. It has evolved into the 260Z. When will it devolve into the 280Z?