I guess you can only use Perrin Oil coolers in the summer - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Jstyle · 11-04-2021, 03:23 PM

Even though Perrin says that their Oil Cooler is thermostatically controlled, this was the oil temps driving today and it was 50 degrees outside not some artic chill.

My shop contacted Perrin and he mentioned this isn't abnormal with the 185deg thermostat and suggested I just partially cover the cooler for non-track scenarios if I am "concerned about it". Another solution he suggested for "cold climate" customers (and 50 isn't exactly cold) is to use their 200deg thermostatic housing for the winter months and switch back to the 185deg one for the warmer months.

It seems ridiculous that I need to make and use some homemade shield or buy a special adapter (which they don't have in stock right now which is super awesome) anytime I want to drive it anywhere in the fall, much less the winter. Even if I put a different thermostat that is only 15 degrees warmer on there and I'm just driving down the highway and it's 30 degrees (20 degrees colder then what I just tested) it's going to have the same issue.

Am I being crazy and this is normal and everyone that has a Perrin oil cooler has oil that has the same consistency as molasses in every month that isn't summer.

Muskoka800 · 11-04-2021, 04:22 PM

I have a Perrin oil cooler as well however my car has been moved into winter hibernation.
Anyway, should I had encountered your issue and wouldn’t be tracking soon I might consider pulling the sandwich plate out from under the filter and tying it off somewhere temporarily.
What grade oil are you using?

Jstyle · 11-04-2021, 04:50 PM

I’m using Amsoil signature 5w30.

NoHaveMSG · 11-04-2021, 05:16 PM

Pretty normal for any thermostactic cooler plate. They still trickle a small amount of flow to cycle the oil in the cooler. I zip tie a small plate in front of the grill of my car when it is cold out when I happen to drive it.

norcalpb · 11-04-2021, 05:51 PM

I put the block off plate on my Perrin cooler every winter, but I’ll remove it for spirited drives (and obviously for track). I installed it with Velcro tape, and my grille is broken in 4 different spots so it’s “easy” to slide it in and out.

It’s easy to make:
Go to ace/Home Depot/Lowe’s and buy this. .025” thick aluminum sheet. You want to cut this sheet to 4” tall x 11” wide.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-6-i...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

Velcro tape from an auto parts store or Amazon. I bought this large pack because I wanted to use the Velcro tape elsewhere like for sound deadening.

https://www.amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-...Y%2CB09959HQG6

Ultramaroon · 11-04-2021, 05:58 PM

150 is fine. Block it off if you want but that's plenty hot enough immediately post-cooler. Why are you running 5w30 with an oil cooler anyhow? If your pressure is still low, something else is wrong. 140 PSI is where the relief valve opens. As long as you keep it below, say 100 PSI peak, all of your oil is still circulating where it should.

CSG Mike · 11-04-2021, 06:25 PM

Totally normal and acceptable.

The temp is post-cooler, not in your engine bay.

DarkSunrise · 11-04-2021, 06:49 PM

I use my license plate to partially block off airflow to my Perrin oil cooler on the street. In 50F ambient on the highway, my oil temps will usually sit around 160-165F, so looks like it makes a 10-15F difference (compared with your oil temps). When you get to the track, it’s just two screws to take off your license plate.

If those temps are still too cold for your liking, you can always try swapping the thermostat. But as others have mentioned, the temps are measured post cooler so actual engine oil temps are hotter.

You don’t want to downsize the cooler because the Perrin is already somewhat marginal for track days. I’ll see 245F peaks on 95F days.

NoHaveMSG · 11-04-2021, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I use my license plate to partially block off airflow to my Perrin oil cooler on the street.

That is a good idea.

Ultramaroon · 11-04-2021, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

That is a good idea.

inb4udontneedanoilcooler

ZDan · 11-04-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

inb4udontneedanoilcooler

The "need" for an oil cooler is often, overstated...

Ultramaroon · 11-04-2021, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

The "need" for an oil cooler is often, overstated...

loliwin

villainous_frx · 11-04-2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

loliwin

right on cue...

Ultramaroon · 11-05-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by villainous_frx

right on cue...

All in good fun

11-04-2021, 03:23 PM	#1
Jstyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Drives: 2020 86 Location: North VA Posts: 183 Thanks: 39 Thanked 49 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I guess you can only use Perrin Oil coolers in the summer Even though Perrin says that their Oil Cooler is thermostatically controlled, this was the oil temps driving today and it was 50 degrees outside not some artic chill. My shop contacted Perrin and he mentioned this isn't abnormal with the 185deg thermostat and suggested I just partially cover the cooler for non-track scenarios if I am "concerned about it". Another solution he suggested for "cold climate" customers (and 50 isn't exactly cold) is to use their 200deg thermostatic housing for the winter months and switch back to the 185deg one for the warmer months. It seems ridiculous that I need to make and use some homemade shield or buy a special adapter (which they don't have in stock right now which is super awesome) anytime I want to drive it anywhere in the fall, much less the winter. Even if I put a different thermostat that is only 15 degrees warmer on there and I'm just driving down the highway and it's 30 degrees (20 degrees colder then what I just tested) it's going to have the same issue. Am I being crazy and this is normal and everyone that has a Perrin oil cooler has oil that has the same consistency as molasses in every month that isn't summer. Attached Images

11-04-2021, 05:58 PM	#6
Ultramaroon 義理チョコ Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 31,871 Thanks: 52,137 Thanked 36,521 Times in 18,922 Posts Mentioned: 1107 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	150 is fine. Block it off if you want but that's plenty hot enough immediately post-cooler. Why are you running 5w30 with an oil cooler anyhow? If your pressure is still low, something else is wrong. 140 PSI is where the relief valve opens. As long as you keep it below, say 100 PSI peak, all of your oil is still circulating where it should. __________________ service manuals

11-04-2021, 06:49 PM	#8
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,794 Thanks: 2,164 Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I use my license plate to partially block off airflow to my Perrin oil cooler on the street. In 50F ambient on the highway, my oil temps will usually sit around 160-165F, so looks like it makes a 10-15F difference (compared with your oil temps). When you get to the track, it’s just two screws to take off your license plate. If those temps are still too cold for your liking, you can always try swapping the thermostat. But as others have mentioned, the temps are measured post cooler so actual engine oil temps are hotter. You don’t want to downsize the cooler because the Perrin is already somewhat marginal for track days. I’ll see 245F peaks on 95F days. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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Muskoka800 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Drives: 2016 Scion FRS Release Series 2#439 Location: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Posts: 680 Thanks: 3 Thanked 150 Times in 123 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have a Perrin oil cooler as well however my car has been moved into winter hibernation. Anyway, should I had encountered your issue and wouldn’t be tracking soon I might consider pulling the sandwich plate out from under the filter and tying it off somewhere temporarily. What grade oil are you using?

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Jstyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Drives: 2020 86 Location: North VA Posts: 183 Thanks: 39 Thanked 49 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I’m using Amsoil signature 5w30.

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norcalpb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2023 Model 3 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 2,296 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 863 Times in 570 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I put the block off plate on my Perrin cooler every winter, but I’ll remove it for spirited drives (and obviously for track). I installed it with Velcro tape, and my grille is broken in 4 different spots so it’s “easy” to slide it in and out. It’s easy to make: Go to ace/Home Depot/Lowe’s and buy this. .025” thick aluminum sheet. You want to cut this sheet to 4” tall x 11” wide. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-6-i...E&gclsrc=aw.ds Velcro tape from an auto parts store or Amazon. I bought this large pack because I wanted to use the Velcro tape elsewhere like for sound deadening. https://www.amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-...Y%2CB09959HQG6

11-04-2021, 06:25 PM	#7
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,531 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,177 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	Totally normal and acceptable. The temp is post-cooler, not in your engine bay.

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