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Old 01-20-2019, 05:34 PM   #169
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Apparently, my wording was confusing. I meant that by having one of these cars, I'm going to come to be associated with the type of people that drive them, which apparently includes people with sticks up their asses about the most moronic things.

Yes, I did get an AT, but not until after testing several MT models. I have little experience with MTs, and I could see there was no way I was going to be able to make the 40 minute drive home without doing something really stupid. The only difference I really felt between them was that the manual required an extra limb to be moving, and I was more distracted (although that can easily be chalked up to lack of experience).

I just frankly don't understand why anyone would argue over it, especially when in higher end cars such as the "Supra", the manual would be completely outclassed by the AT.
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Apparently, my wording was confusing. I meant that by having one of these cars, I'm going to come to be associated with the type of people that drive them, which apparently includes people with sticks up their asses about the most moronic things.

Yes, I did get an AT, but not until after testing several MT models. I have little experience with MTs, and I could see there was no way I was going to be able to make the 40 minute drive home without doing something really stupid. The only difference I really felt between them was that the manual required an extra limb to be moving, and I was more distracted (although that can easily be chalked up to lack of experience).

I just frankly don't understand why anyone would argue over it, especially when in higher end cars such as the "Supra", the manual would be completely outclassed by the AT.
If you're that worried about the stigma of a car, don't ever buy any sports car, or any car for that matter.

People would have loved the option of a manual for the more engaging experience in their eyes (and mine as well). It only dissolved into a flame war because of people like the OP. This kind of pointless arguing is not exclusive to FT86Club; you're going to find shit like this at any other car forum.
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Apparently, my wording was confusing. I meant that by having one of these cars, I'm going to come to be associated with the type of people that drive them, which apparently includes people with sticks up their asses about the most moronic things.

Yes, I did get an AT, but not until after testing several MT models. I have little experience with MTs, and I could see there was no way I was going to be able to make the 40 minute drive home without doing something really stupid. The only difference I really felt between them was that the manual required an extra limb to be moving, and I was more distracted (although that can easily be chalked up to lack of experience).

I just frankly don't understand why anyone would argue over it, especially when in higher end cars such as the "Supra", the manual would be completely outclassed by the AT.
Welcome to the forum!

I have had my AT for 6.5 years.

What kind of forum experience were you looking for?

Because, back in 2012, when everyone that had a twin, bought it new; Things were different back then. (Though the AT vs MT was being discussed)

By my estimates: 50% of any forum is moronic arguing.

Also, for someone that says that they lack experience with MTs; how do you know a MT would be outclassed? Plus, this does not take into account how much people enjoy their MT.

But, I am glad that you got an AT. (You said you felt like you might do something really stupid if you got a MT!)


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And vice versa. I like MT because I like it end of story. It doesn't make people a better driver, everybody that drives AT is not a cheese burger chomping moron and MT drivers do all the same shit that AT ones do. They are simply two different ways to change gears and neither one makes the overall skill of driving better or worse.
True statement, however I'd still contend that if you're going to build a real deal sports car, at least make/ offer a manual tranny (even if it's a smaller % then auto tranny produced). On the new '20 Supra front, the one reason I can see them just offering a Auto is given it's a high output 6cyl turbo, they most likely didn't want any turbo lag....or certain quirks a turbo produces. I know it's more seemless with a auto tranny ( I've never owned a turbo car to know ), but I remember a couple of friends in the late 90's who preferred their auto turbo cars to manual. Also producing one transmission type for a vehicle has to have inherent cost savings benefit to the manufacturer in the long run.
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Apparently, my wording was confusing. I meant that by having one of these cars, I'm going to come to be associated with the type of people that drive them, which apparently includes people with sticks up their asses about the most moronic things.

Yes, I did get an AT, but not until after testing several MT models. I have little experience with MTs, and I could see there was no way I was going to be able to make the 40 minute drive home without doing something really stupid. The only difference I really felt between them was that the manual required an extra limb to be moving, and I was more distracted (although that can easily be chalked up to lack of experience).

I just frankly don't understand why anyone would argue over it, especially when in higher end cars such as the "Supra", the manual would be completely outclassed by the AT.
Nah, AdmiralAhab , you're OK. You just happened to jump into a thread on this forum that was awash in the middle of a pissing contest.

You are obviously more comfortable driving a car with an AT - and that's OK.

When several of us were learning to drive a vehicle, we didn't have a choice, so we "learned" to drive vehicles with a MT.

For example, back when the AT was just being introduced to the masses, it was a sluggish, inefficient, power consuming transmission. However, the ATs of today don't have to be that way.

Some of us older drivers have that past AT thing, stuck in our heads -

Personally, I have a split personally when it comes to transmission preferences. I prefer a MT in light weight sports cars (FR-S/BRZ/86/Miata) and an AT in larger vehicles (sedans, SUVs etc.).

I figure it's more important to pick a car that comes in a color you like than one with a transmission you don't like.




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Old 01-20-2019, 07:36 PM   #176
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True statement, however I'd still contend that if you're going to build a real deal sports car, at least make/ offer a manual tranny (even if it's a smaller % then auto tranny produced). On the new '20 Supra front, the one reason I can see them just offering a Auto is given it's a high output 6cyl turbo, they most likely didn't want any turbo lag....or certain quirks a turbo produces. I know it's more seemless with a auto tranny ( I've never owned a turbo car to know ), but I remember a couple of friends in the late 90's who preferred their auto turbo cars to manual. Also producing one transmission type for a vehicle has to have inherent cost savings benefit to the manufacturer in the long run.
Good point. One doesn't have to look around too far to determine that the majority of the people in our present driving society, would fuck up driving a 1948 Ford pickup truck with a MT. Yep, SMH.

So, why expose a "good car" to those few that cannot figure out how to drive a MT?




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++1 yes, correct choose transmission type based on vehicle type!! Full size trucks...Given payload towing, or a 4500+ lbs SUV , gotta go AT transmission in this day in age!
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If you're that worried about the stigma of a car, don't ever buy any sports car, or any car for that matter.

People would have loved the option of a manual for the more engaging experience in their eyes (and mine as well). It only dissolved into a flame war because of people like the OP. This kind of pointless arguing is not exclusive to FT86Club; you're going to find shit like this at any other car forum.
Because of people like me? How about you get off your high horse and look at who I was responding to. I was called elitist for preferring a manual and speaking to my PERSONAL preferences and the reasons for it. God forbid I have reasons for preferring a manual over an automatic.

But you and others don't want to be judged for their reasons behind preferring an automatic? Get that double standard shit outta here.

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++1 yes, correct choose transmission type based on vehicle type!! Full size trucks...Given payload towing, or a 4500+ lbs SUV , gotta go AT transmission in this day in age!

I must be doing something wrong...I DD a MT, drive a FR-S AT on weekends and drive a MT Ram at work haha

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It's a know fact that manual car owners are better lovers.

The reasons are self evident.

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Because of people like me? How about you get off your high horse and look at who I was responding to. I was called elitist for preferring a manual and speaking to my PERSONAL preferences and the reasons for it. God forbid I have reasons for preferring a manual over an automatic.

But you and others don't want to be judged for their reasons behind preferring an automatic? Get that double standard shit outta here.

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1. I re-read your post; you definitely come off as somewhat snobbish and on a high horse yourself if not elitist.

2. <-- Reading comprehension would do you well. I actually drive a manual. It's one thing to have a personal preference; it's another entirely to have delusions and think lowly of others for having a different transmission choice. You do realize that some people are nearly physically unable to drive a stick shift? Do you think they aren't drivers because they can't utilize 3 pedals in perfect harmony?
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