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08-21-2022, 11:13 PM | #15 | |
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I, for one, have yet to experience a 200TW tire that could offer anything close to the kind of wet weather traction (especially through deeper sheeting water) that I get from my Pilot Sport 4S. I simply have no interest in tossing 200TW tires onto a vehicle I am going to drive in all sorts of conditions on public roads - specifically because I don't want to worry about how they'll deal with an unexpected encounter with that annoying wet stuff.
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Given my local climate a 200TW tire will outperform PS4S or ECS 99.999% of the time here. The 0.001% is the singular deep puddle I might hit during a rainstorm 2-3x per year, and I can usually avoid it by changing lanes and driving slower solves the hydroplaning 'out of control' issue. It all varies. |
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The worst tire I've driven in the rain were the Rival S1.5. Those were straight up terrifying. They're known to be so, but I didn't expect it as bad is it was. Got caught out in a quick rainstorm a couple of times and was doing 35 mph on the highway when everyone else was able to do 65-70. Any more and the car was floating.
That was not my experience with other 200 tw tires. I've owned 5 different 200 tw tires and the others have all been fine in the wet. At full tread depth they're acceptable at hydroplaning resistance, I find myself with more confidence on them than the stock Primacys in the wet. As long as you keep in mind that they are not the best and stick to the speed of traffic, they're fine. In damp conditions, they seem to offer more grip than the max summer tires I've owned.
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I recently switched to Goodyear Eagle F1s, which you may or may not also consider.
They're a more comfortable tyre, a bit quieter than the Primacies, with higher grip levels and good tread life. I found them to make the car a tad numb around dead center, especially at higher speeds (and being that there's a german Autobahn 10 miles from home, that matters somewhat). Good grip though, and not too expensive. Lighter than the Primacies, too. But I miss the stock ability to feel the car move around at reasonable speeds. |
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You're being incredibly hyperbolic.
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I have quite literally, been in the exact situation I described. I-81 in the mountains of Virginia, a 2-lane highway with narrow shoulders, a sudden absolutely TORRENTIAL downpour out of nowhere, but surrounded by trucks that were literally still doing 70+ MPH. It was genuinely butt-clenching, and of course there were several miles with no exit. I have never been as impressed with a tire as I was with what, at the time I think were Pilot Super Sports, doing their utmost to deal with the deluge of water running across the road until I made it to the next exit, where I actually DID pull over to get gas before I wound up in the guardrail. Also, I've autocrossed back-to-back at the same, extremely wet event in a vehicle with A052s (my dumb-ass who was too lazy to swap tires), and a vehicle with MPSS (a similarly-classed Miata), and the difference was that the steering wheel in the Miata actually did things anywhere where there was standing water, whereas mine was useless around half the course. So yes, you certainly can do track days on RComps, as you stated, in the rain. Similarly, there are people who insist that they've driven through snow storms on summer tires without issue. That doesn't mean, "Just slow down and summer tires are fine in the snow," is an intelligent statement to make. TL;DR "SLOW DOWN" is definitely good advice in the wet, but simply slowing down still won't fix the fact that some tires are arguably not nearly as well-suited for a vehicle that may be driven in inclement weather on public roads with any regularity.
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I have those on my car, works well on the roads, but Sidewalls are very soft for track driving, though they hold up surprisingly well there. Ive been looking at assymetric 6 as a replacement all round tyre, seems like a much much better tyre, the 3s are a Pretty old design by now.
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I went with 3s as the 5s didn't have such great reviews and the 6s weren't out yet. |
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I have the 91s, they have wear marks on the side wall half way down to the rim edge, though thats from very hard track driving. If they would ever die it would be nice so I finally could change tyres , the 6s have had some.stellar reviews.
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