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Old 08-13-2020, 01:07 PM   #1541
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Um... some of it. Due to some stuff is political end of stuff, so can’t go indepth, but I’ll comment much as I can.

First of all 86 development started back in ‘06 for Toyota. Not sure Subaru had project called AS1 going back then. When they start developing together, both side had their ideas (can’t say indepth)... but in the end, Tada-san’s idea went through. Why? Cuz he’s the CE & Toyota had the funds. Sound mean? That’s the truth.

The black mule Frankenstein Subie everyone saw (I’ll attach it) is a test car that Tada-san & the team made to convince upstairs (both side) to get a green light for 86 project further. They (Subaru) didn’t make that car before joining the 86 team, AFTER they joined, they made the car. iirc that Impreza was hacked about 9”~10” shorter & had EJ20 (NA) in there. Idk which trans they used, but it’s 100% RWD. Btw if anyone didn’t know, there were Frankenstein #2 (I’ll attach as well).

As for the styling. I’ll admit, Toyota is taking more credit... but imo they deserve it. Design team (both Subie & Toyo) were joined together to make the design. That’s why you see a lot of design concept coming from 2000GT. They worked at Toyota studio which have 2000GT displayed in front of the studio and staff see it everyday. Result is whole new chassis was required, so both agreed to axe the using Impreza or Legacy chassis. Corolla was out of question, cuz it was going to be developed at Subaru.

As for engine. Subaru was just thinking of putting FB engine and call it good... but Tada-san had a goal to make 100PS/Liter engine. Both engineers tried and couldn’t hit the goal, so Tada-san requested (sorry forgot his name, but one of the engineer who helped develop LFA engine) to see if his team can develop FB engine that can rev all the way up to redline smoothly & goal of 100PS/Liter. He developed engine that hit 100PS/Liter. Problem was, building the engine. Engineer claim assembling the engine will be hard and even assembled it, might not able to hit 100PS/Liter. Subaru engineer saw how it was assemble and they were able to assembled AND even hit 100ps/liter goal even from first engine... but problem was endurance. Due to quality control, assembling tools, glue & etc weren’t great, so Toyota brought their knowledge to help with the endurance area.

Development went further cost of the car became big factor. They’re developing a lot of new parts. New chassis, new engine, even all new interior. They had to cut the cost down somewhere. They had to keep it cost lower to make it available for younger audience &/or sport car fans. This is why they’re using Impreza suspension & brakes. They’re not the greatest quality, but they’re proven to be good (VLN 24Hrs 3yrs class champion).

Basic testing was done by Toyota and fixing & adjusting was done at Subaru. Cuz Toyota the have money & area to test, but in the end, Subaru the ones that manufacture the product. So Toyota test it, bring the result to the 86 Project HQ to find what worked, what didn’t, whatever they adjusted send that info the Subaru to manufacture and ship it out to get it tested. It went on & on til close to final production stage. From there, both had their own test drivers to adjust the suspension and other things to make it their style of car.

As for AT, that’s a false. At least in my knowledge, Subaru didn’t go against the idea of having both MT & AT. What Subaru was against was having 6-axis device installed into their car. Not sure anyone remember, Toyota collab with Polyphony (Gran Turismo) to able to record yourself driving at the track and able to see it on Gran Turismo. When you buy & connect the black box, it have the data transferred into the black box. 6-axis device were installed into the all the early model 86/FRS. BRZ have em, but they’re disabled and even you buy the kit (sold in Japan), not able to use it, cuz Subaru was adamant not having it.

So in the end, 86 Project a 50/50 project or one sided? That’s all depends on where and how you look at it. If the funding is a key factor then Subaru weren’t anywhere to be seen. If the manufacturing is a key factor then Toyota weren’t anywhere to be seen. Toyota started the project and Subaru help bring it.

I’ve asked & listened from BOTH side and not only major engineers, but whoever helped developed this car. Some of em have a beef with other company. Some of em enjoyed working with other company. Do I care who developed or made this car? No, not really? Not only Tada-san, but BOTH Toyota & Subaru had a passionate engineers worked to make this car. Hell, tomorrow news comes out stating “FIAT actually made 86/BRZ!” I wouldn’t care. I would clap my hands & hats off to Fiat for a sec and keep driving my car while smiling.

Now, take this info as a grain of salt.

Wow. Thanks for that info dump and clearing this up!
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:17 PM   #1543
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Looks nothing alike.
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New, more clear shots.

I see eyesight.
I also think the hood is a bit lower than previous pics have lead to believe.
The side skirt is a separate panel now.
Windows and roof look unchanged. actually rear side windows look different.


Still looks like the Bestcar red render is very close.

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LOL, I knew there was something, but I couldn't put my finger on it.



Now it can't be unseen.
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Old 08-13-2020, 01:28 PM   #1546
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Wow. Thanks for that info dump and clearing this up!
And THAT is why I believe ichi when there is conflicting info!
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Looks nothing alike.
same squared off gaping hole of a mouth, squared off foglight/ducting/vent elements on the sides and same mesh structure/ pattern but thanks?
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same squared off gaping hole of a mouth, squared off foglight/ducting/vent elements on the sides and same mesh structure/ pattern but thanks?
The grill and the fog housings are not even remotely the same shape between those two. How hard are you squinting to make them look the same?
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same squared off gaping hole of a mouth, squared off foglight/ducting/vent elements on the sides and same mesh structure/ pattern but thanks?
If it helps, I see the influence too, both in the headlight accent features and overall lower facia. New design direction for Toyota in general or just the GR brand. Guess we'll see with the next generation of cars.
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What bothers me the most is that the Mustang driver is wearing a mask while driving. While inside the vehicle.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/13/...#slide-2256916
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What bothers me the most is that the Mustang driver is wearing a mask while driving. While inside the vehicle.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/13/...#slide-2256916
So are the driver and passenger in the GR86. It's probably Toyota/Subaru policy. The test cars are shared equipment, must keep them clean for the next person.

At my work it's facemasks from the moment you get out of your personal car until you get back into it.
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LOL, I knew there was something, but I couldn't put my finger on it.



Now it can't be unseen.
Yeah its not an uncommon design theme for the rear to look like that. Theres a million variations of it, they all look very similar.

I see it more like the CHR taillights + supra trunk lid
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If it helps, I see the influence too, both in the headlight accent features and overall lower facia. New design direction for Toyota in general or just the GR brand. Guess we'll see with the next generation of cars.
Toyota's been using a big square maw for awhile. Previous gen corolla, Sienna, FRS, Camry, Avalon, etc. Its been seen in various widths and edge roundness. The GR models seem to get a completely rectangular version of it though.
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So are the driver and passenger in the GR86. It's probably Toyota/Subaru policy. The test cars are shared equipment, must keep them clean for the next person.
But the mustang driver is all alone...
Can't say it's a test vehicle too
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