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[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Charge the unvaccinated full price for all covid medical care.

Even the medical care for the vaccinated who've been hospitalized for covid, or for those who've been infected from vaccinated people?

From the article in our local paper to which I linked an hour or two ago... and our local paper, FWIW, is slanted in a diametrically opposed direction to Fox's slant....

"The county confirmed 186 new cases today. Of those, 44% were among vaccinated people. That’s similar to findings from recent weeks."

I DO understand that, at least in our area, the large majority of people are vaccinated, so it makes sense that an increasingly higher percentage of infections are in vaccinated people, and I do know that, percentage-wise, you stand a much higher chance of being infected if you are not vaccinated. Still, it would seem unjust to charge only unvaccinated people for the same care vaccinated people are also receiving.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Even the medical care for the vaccinated who've been hospitalized for covid, or for those who've been infected from vaccinated people?

From the article in our local paper to which I linked an hour or two ago... and our local paper, FWIW, is slanted in a diametrically opposed direction to Fox's slant....

"The county confirmed 186 new cases today. Of those, 44% were among vaccinated people. That’s similar to findings from recent weeks."

I DO understand that, at least in our area, the large majority of people are vaccinated, so it makes sense that an increasingly higher percentage of infections are in vaccinated people, and I do know that, percentage-wise, you stand a much higher chance of being infected if you are not vaccinated. Still, it would seem unjust to charge only unvaccinated people for the same care vaccinated people are also receiving.

Again, Bring me a solution. Read your own post. Is it anything more than whining?


Waahh... Not fair!

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Again, Bring me a solution. Read your own post. Is it anything more than whining?


Waahh... Not fair!

Ultra.. I enjoy your sense of humor and most of your posts over the years. This isn't personal at all. You made a suggestion, charging only unvaccinated people for all covid-related care, that just didn't make sense to me, and I pointed out why it struck me that way. That's not whining.. just making a logical observation. You're doing the same thing.. pointing out that you don't think it's fair for people to choose not to get the vaccine. You're entitled to your opinion, and I don't consider it whining. What's the difference?

I don't know if the solution that seems to be sought... absolutely 100% protection from Covid, no suffering, no death.. is out there. Vaccinated people are suffering, too, and inarguably some of the responses we've tried in our quest to control covid have caused some fairly universal suffering.

I don't know the solution that works for everyone. I wish I did. I'm sorry.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Even the medical care for the vaccinated who've been hospitalized for covid, or for those who've been infected from vaccinated people?

From the article in our local paper to which I linked an hour or two ago... and our local paper, FWIW, is slanted in a diametrically opposed direction to Fox's slant....

"The county confirmed 186 new cases today. Of those, 44% were among vaccinated people. That’s similar to findings from recent weeks."

I DO understand that, at least in our area, the large majority of people are vaccinated, so it makes sense that an increasingly higher percentage of infections are in vaccinated people, and I do know that, percentage-wise, you stand a much higher chance of being infected if you are not vaccinated. Still, it would seem unjust to charge only unvaccinated people for the same care vaccinated people are also receiving.

He did say to charge for care, the majority of cost would be associated with unvaccinated individuals.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

https://www.foxnews.com/health/ny-ho...accine-mandate

does anyone else find this sorta funny? the majority of hospitals around me, about 75% of the nurses have been doing the job for at least 15 years at a minimum. they're typically required to get all of the flu vaccines, as well as a number of regular inoculations as part of that chosen career path, never batted an eye to all those shots.

but this, this is where they draw the line...

[cjd]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

...charging only unvaccinated people for all covid-related care, that just didn't make sense to me, and I pointed out why it struck me that way.

Beyond an exemption for people who have a medical reason for not being vaccinated, what doesn't make sense about this? That wasn't clear from your response. You also do not make the same statement here as Ultra did; charging unvaccinated full price is NOT the same as charging ONLY unvaccinated.

Also - this is how insurance tends to work - underwriters evaluate chosen behaviors which are higher risk and those end up paying more. It's less common with health insurance, but non-smokers sometimes get discounts, etc. It's really obvious with car insurance just how whacky this gets.
I haven't seen the cost (in $, that is) of an unvaccinated vs vaccinated, but it does appear that both by volume (numbers requiring care) as well as by the length of time to recovery or death, unvaccinated would end up costing significantly more. That's either spread out and shared by everyone, or it's on the individual. If we're not in this together, then why the f**k should we help cover the costs?

[spike021]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Even the medical care for the vaccinated who've been hospitalized for covid, or for those who've been infected from vaccinated people?

From the article in our local paper to which I linked an hour or two ago... and our local paper, FWIW, is slanted in a diametrically opposed direction to Fox's slant....

"The county confirmed 186 new cases today. Of those, 44% were among vaccinated people. That’s similar to findings from recent weeks."

I DO understand that, at least in our area, the large majority of people are vaccinated, so it makes sense that an increasingly higher percentage of infections are in vaccinated people, and I do know that, percentage-wise, you stand a much higher chance of being infected if you are not vaccinated. Still, it would seem unjust to charge only unvaccinated people for the same care vaccinated people are also receiving.

How many of those breakthroughs infection cases are people who also had severe enough symptoms to need a hospital visit?

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by cjd

Beyond an exemption for people who have a medical reason for not being vaccinated, what doesn't make sense about this? That wasn't clear from your response. You also do not make the same statement here as Ultra did; charging unvaccinated full price is NOT the same as charging ONLY unvaccinated.

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Maybe I misinterpreted what Ultra was suggesting. He wrote, "Charge the unvaccinated full price for all covid medical care." I took that to mean, ALL Covid medical care... for vaccinated and unvaccinated patients alike, or in other words, for unvaccinated people to shoulder the burden of ALL Covid expenses for all people. That was what I was questioning. That's even worse than mandates...

[spike021]

Originally Posted by soundman98

does anyone else find this sorta funny? the majority of hospitals around me, about 75% of the nurses have been doing the job for at least 15 years at a minimum. they're typically required to get all of the flu vaccines, as well as a number of regular inoculations as part of that chosen career path, never batted an eye to all those shots.

but this, this is where they draw the line...

Pfizer's is FDA approved now too. So....

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Ultra.. I enjoy your sense of humor and most of your posts over the years. This isn't personal at all. You made a suggestion, charging only unvaccinated people for all covid-related care, that just didn't make sense to me, and I pointed out why it struck me that way. That's not whining.. just making a logical observation. You're doing the same thing.. pointing out that you don't think it's fair for people to choose not to get the vaccine. You're entitled to your opinion, and I don't consider it whining. What's the difference?

I don't know if the solution that seems to be sought... absolutely 100% protection from Covid, no suffering, no death.. is out there. Vaccinated people are suffering, too, and inarguably some of the responses we've tried in our quest to control covid have caused some fairly universal suffering.

I don't know the solution that works for everyone. I wish I did. I'm sorry.

What do you mean "seems to be sought"? Don't change the subject "Oh vaccinated people blah blah..." And I'm not impressed one bit with that trite, backhanded compliment.

I asked for solutions earlier. Dead silence. I come up with a perfectly valid one and you can't even bring yourself to validate the angle. I would be ashamed of myself.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by spike021

How many of those breakthroughs infection cases are people who also had severe enough symptoms to need a hospital visit?

I'm sure not as many as the number of unvaccinated people who need to be hospitalized; at this point, that is the biggest benefit of the vaccinations. That gap will continue to close as more and more people do get vaccinated. Still, vaccinated people are being hospitalized and/or requiring outside medical care of some kind as they become infected, and sadly some don't survive either.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Maybe I misinterpreted what Ultra was suggesting. He wrote, "Charge the unvaccinated full price for all covid medical care." I took that to mean, ALL Covid medical care... for vaccinated and unvaccinated patients alike, or in other words, for unvaccinated people to shoulder the burden of ALL Covid expenses for all people. That was what I was questioning. That's even worse than mandates...

OMG, that's pathetic weasel-worded shit. Give me a break.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

What do you mean "seems to be sought"? Don't change the subject "Oh vaccinated people blah blah..." And I'm not impressed one bit with that trite, backhanded compliment.

I asked for solutions earlier. Dead silence. I come up with a perfectly valid one and you can't even bring yourself to validate the angle. I would be ashamed of myself.

It wasn't backhanded, it was sincere. I explained why your "solution" wasn't valid. You nor I have any reason for shame. If you feel differently.. THAT is a shame.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

OMG, that's pathetic weasel-worded shit. Give me a break.

Man, I am at a loss. Ok.. what DID you mean? How should I have interpreted what you wrote?