2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

The 2.0L 2020 Z4 starts at $50K.. All estimates have been $40-45K so far. We know it won't have a manual. The ZF is the reason both cars are as quick as they are.

Yes, the price estimates we know have been around $40-45K.

But as we've seen with the model year changes already between the 2020 and 2021 3.0, I wouldn't doubt any surprises coming in the future regarding a manual. They already have a 6-speed in the sDrive20i. And BMW also offers a manual in their 2-series models as well.

The ZF auto is great and faster, yes. But that's not the sole reason people buy sports cars. The 86 and MX-5 sell more manuals than automatics. Not sure about Porsche or BMW, but they're both still available in several models. Mustangs and Camaros as well have both regardless of their 0-60 or quarter mile times.

Let's just hope Toyota's got a wildcard up their sleeves for 2022.

[gymratter]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...revealed.5285/

2.0 $42,990
3.0 $50,990

$8,000 differences

[gymratter]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...revealed.5285/

2.0 $42,990
3.0 $50,990

$8,000 differences

[spike021]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Recently Everyday Driver uploaded their review... I highly NOT watching it. They’re local guys, so want to help em out, but fuck... lost cause. They drank too much Toyota Kool-Aid and doesn’t do legit review. I do favor Toyota... but when there’s a problem, I say it to them. No BS & flat out... especially to engineers, including Tada-san. So they know & they can improve for the future model. ED? Nothing. Just pure BS

TLDR: Don’t watch review of Everyday Driver. Waste of your time

They've been bad for a while. Mentioned on another thread the other day. One of the guys owned an FRS and they used to use it in a bunch of their videos. In some video to show off the torque dip they'd show the gauge cluster while driving uphill in 5th gear around 40mph or something ridiculous to prove how "slow it is" (which I don't deny it is). I mentioned that's a terrible way to show it and their producer or whoever he was basically flat-out denied it and insisted they had to show it in that precise moment on that type of road.

I'm just like .

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by gymratter

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...revealed.5285/

2.0 $42,990
3.0 $50,990

$8,000 differences

Bah to much for the 2.0

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[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by spike021

They've been bad for a while. Mentioned on another thread the other day. One of the guys owned an FRS and they used to use it in a bunch of their videos. In some video to show off the torque dip they'd show the gauge cluster while driving uphill in 5th gear around 40mph or something ridiculous to prove how "slow it is" (which I don't deny it is). I mentioned that's a terrible way to show it and their producer or whoever he was basically flat-out denied it and insisted they had to show it in that precise moment on that type of road.

I'm just like .

Yeah, one of em used to have FR-S plus one of camera person used to have one as well. Both sold it and got something else (Elise & 911 iirc).

Few years back, they did local event "Meet Everyday Driver crew and do cruise". Meet & Greet cost like $15~$20 plus cruise was like "$50! I just laughed at that. I'm like "I can use that money driving to SoCal have lunch with Moto-san or other legit gearhead ppl and get better time."

Don't get me wrong, some reviewers will start drinking brand Kool-Aid. No matter how you look at it... but doesn't get this bad. Even Guff, he do reviews now and don't see him drinking that kool-aid... well, if he does, I'll def gonna fly to TX/IL to slap him lol

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Bah to much for the 2.0

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yeah for $8k more i think most people will just get the base 3.0 with the better brakes, suspension, power seats, etc. this is why Toyota only has a production/sale rate of 20% for the 2.0.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by gymratter

yeah for $8k more i think most people will just get the base 3.0 with the better brakes, suspension, power seats, etc. this is why Toyota only has a production/sale rate of 20% for the 2.0.

They are trying to offset devolpment costs by selling an additional trim to sucker buyers in.

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[ichitaka05]

As for the cost, I knew it and I was pissed to figure that price. In Japan, here are the price difference
RZ (3.0) - 7,313,000yen
SZ-R (2.0) - 6,013,000yen
SZ (2.0) - 4,995,000yen

Now, engine we got in 2.0 is SZ-R, but the rest is pretty much SZ w very few RZ & SZ-R stuff. When we're not getting active suspension, e-dif and other legit parts, but price difference is $8k? That's just ridiculous. Toyota US fucked up good.

[DM7]

Originally Posted by BA9092

... The M240i and the 230i have a $10k price difference also. But I don't see where they differ much other than the engines? They could've kept all the options from the 3.0 in the 2.0 as well.

The base price difference between the M240i and 230i is $10k; but the two cars differ in more than just the engine. To make the 230i comparable to the M240i in terms of equipment; the "M Sport" package needs to be added to the 230i for $4500. That makes the cost of difference closer to $5000. Looks like the "M Sport" package no longer includes the Brembo fixed calipers front and rear; which is ok because they don't provide good pedal feel (FR-S with floating calipers all around has better brake pedal feel).

With regards to the $43000 price for the 2.0 Supra that sounds fair to me. The 230i with "M Sport" package is $40000. In my opinion the extra $3000 is worth it for what would be a much sportier driving experience in the 2.0 Supra.

[BA9092]

Originally Posted by DM7

The 230i with "M Sport" package is $40000. In my opinion the extra $3000 is worth it for what would be a much sportier driving experience in the 2.0 Supra.

Good point. That's true.

See, it's all about what each one of us prefers.

Obviously, you can spend 911-money adding options on the 718. So at what point do you just not get the model above it?

It all depends on the person's preference (and bank account): Some will opt for a fully-loaded 718 at $100k, some will choose a base 911 for the same price.

I was only comparing the inline-6 vs the 4-cylinder.

(Now, as of this moment, it looks like Toyota is only going to offer a Tech Package for the 2.0 (JBL, Nav, etc.) Still, no braking or handling upgrade options to bring it up to the level of the 3.0...yet.)

I personally have no interest in the 2.0 as I've spent a good time and effort upgrading my "thankfully it's a manual!" BRZ and going FI with more hp than the 4-pot Supra. Yes, the Supra is newer, it's a stiffer chassis, with greater tech and loads more torque, but if I'm gonna drop my 6-speed manual, it would only be worth it for the 3.0.

Since you said "in my opinion", I'd take a base 3.0 vs a fully-loaded 2.0.

[ZDan]

At $43k I'm still mildly interested if it comes with a limited slip diff (no electronic control is fine). But getting a little on the $$$$ side for a sports car that is IMO pushing it on weight at just under 3200. 3.0 still out of the question for me at 3400 lb and >$50k...

[DM7]

Originally Posted by BA9092

(Now, as of this moment, it looks like Toyota is only going to offer a Tech Package for the 2.0 (JBL, Nav, etc.) Still, no braking or handling upgrade options to bring it up to the level of the 3.0...yet.)

The floating calipers would probably be fine unless the car is going to see some serious track time. Upgrading to an aftermarket front caliper and rotor kit like the AP Racing Sprint is going to perform better and cost less in consumables than the 3.0 Supra Brembos.

The passive dampers on the 2.0 Supra are going to be easier to replace with aftermarket dampers. Passive aftermarket dampers will cost less and there would be no need to bypass an electronic damper system with special modules or tuning. Damper and spring upgrade would only be necessary for autox/track tires.

I guess my ideal A90 would be the base 2.0 Supra equipment with the 3.0 engine. It would fill in the Supra line up nicely between the 2.0 and 3.0. Take $3000 off the price of the base 3.0.
Give me the 6 cylinder engine, passive dampers, mechanical LSD, floating caliper brakes, manual seats, 4 speaker stereo, $46000.

Originally Posted by ZDan

At $43k I'm still mildly interested if it comes with a limited slip diff (no electronic control is fine). But getting a little on the $$$$ side for a sports car that is IMO pushing it on weight at just under 3200. 3.0 still out of the question for me at 3400 lb and >$50k...

Includes mechanical LSD.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

As for the cost, I knew it and I was pissed to figure that price. In Japan, here are the price difference
RZ (3.0) - 7,313,000yen
SZ-R (2.0) - 6,013,000yen
SZ (2.0) - 4,995,000yen

Now, engine we got in 2.0 is SZ-R, but the rest is pretty much SZ w very few RZ & SZ-R stuff. When we're not getting active suspension, e-dif and other legit parts, but price difference is $8k? That's just ridiculous. Toyota US fucked up good.

I don't know that comparing pricing to other parts of the world is going to draw good comparisons. The RZ Supra was priced much lower in the US compared to the rest of the world. Even using your numbers, it appears the 3.0 engine is a $12k difference with some other much more minor variances in the interior and exterior. When you think about it, the B48 in the SZ and SZ-R is probably virtually identical besides a change in compression and boost, knowing BMW, so that $9k looks worse to me. Still, I don't know what the Sport Pack costs, which adds adaptive suspension, active diff and bigger brakes for the SZ-R in markets that don't get the SZ, but I would imagine it would cost less than $9k.

$67,784 RZ
+$12,050
$55,734 SZ-R
+9,436
$46,298 SZ

The big thing is I don't think the car will sell well at $42k. I know it is a luxury sports car, so the pricing is correct, but I just don't expect there to be much interest at that price. If someone is going to buy an expensive sports car then they probably want it to move and not just look fast. For that price, someone would probably just buy a luxury sport sedan and gain practicality. Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by ZDan

At $43k I'm still mildly interested if it comes with a limited slip diff (no electronic control is fine). But getting a little on the $$$$ side for a sports car that is IMO pushing it on weight at just under 3200. 3.0 still out of the question for me at 3400 lb and >$50k...

For me, I would pay the extra $150/month for the 3.0 because without the manual, this just turns into a grand touring luxury car for me. My whole driving style changes with an auto.