Starting to think these cars are low quality

[fang_gt86]

You may just got a lemon.

I'm at 12k on the odometer and there's zero issue so far. There's the infamous cricket but I'm used to it by now, (not a quality issue).

I mainly use mine for occasional drive to work and weekend spirited driving, always garaged, hardly park outside in the summer heat or cold winter and I'm the only driver .

[beatgenie]

I haven't had mine for as long as yours, but after 7 months damn near everything is still in factory condition.

[Tromatic]

I have two of those problems, and I could not care less about them. It would never occur to me to think the car is a POS.

[teamturbo]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

I have two of those problems, and I could not care less about them. It would never occur to me to think the car is a POS.

I never said the car was a piece of shit. I love the car.

What I'm saying is there's a lot of minor issues with the car that I've never had occur with other models. The steering wheel should not peel after 6 months. The dash should not begin to unglue, ever. Why is it that every time it rains, my windows will screech days later when they're brought down. It's surprising to me that a Japanese manufacturer with decades of experience has these issues. $25,000 or not.

[Bergen23]

I have a passenger side door rattle. Not speaker related as it happens with the speaker off. Dash is lifting as well. Probably just going to get it looked at during my next service.

[drewbot]

56,000 km (you guys do the math for miles)....only thing needed was to replace driver's side weather strip because snow made a bracket break off, which was covered by warranty anyways

[KalbiCool88]

At least the problems that you're experiencing can be fixed. Porsche Intermediate shaft bearings cannot be remedied and the engine must be replaced - and this applies to Porsche I think 1998-2008...

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

If you think that is low quality you should check out the mustang forums.

Or BMW forums for 335i as an example...lots of engine issues none-stop and that's a 70,000 car (cdn)

[GodzillaC]

Originally Posted by teamturbo

List of problems with the vehicle. 23 months old & 17,000 miles:

Tail light condensation - Day 1 (Don't really care)
Squeaky windows - Day 1 (Bothers me)
Steering wheel ruined & replaced - Month 6
Right window switch failure - Month 19
Yesterday dash has began to unglue. Use sun shield on hot months. - Month 23

I've driven Hondas that are 20yrs old that never had such issues. You'd think Toyota & Subaru know how to get the basics down this day and age.

I can only imagine what's going to happen in the coming months when the warranty expires...

OP, sorry to hear you're having problems with your twin this early on, but in reality every manufacturer has their share of problems.


My 2006 Honda cracked the engine block in 2 places because the cooling journals were milled too close to the outside of the engine (all '06, '07 and some '08 models with aluminum blocks have the potential of doing the same), premature tire wear requiring replacement of upper control arms, cracked sunshades.


My wife didn't fare any better with her 2004 Accord that blew a trans at 120K (admittedly higher mileage). She's not an aggressive driver by any means. My buddy had the same year and model Accord and his trans went within 1,000 miles of hers.


Get the most out of your warranty while it's still in effect. Hopefully your experiences are because of yours being an early model.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by teamturbo

List of problems with the vehicle. 23 months old & 17,000 miles:

Tail light condensation - Day 1 (Don't really care) TSB for this and fixed on (most) early 14s and up
Squeaky windows - Day 1 (Bothers me) Two TSBs for this. Takes about 20 minutes for dealer to fix. Changed on mid 14s and up
Steering wheel ruined & replaced - Month 6 Have seen a few complain about this. All were early or mid 13s I believe. Warranty
Right window switch failure - Month 19 Odd. Warranty
Yesterday dash has began to unglue. Use sun shield on hot months. - Month 23 Have seen a few complain about this as well. All were early or mid 13s I believe. Warranty

...

You buy a new model car in the first 2 years of release you are gambling at best. It would be ideal if the manufacturers worked all the bugs out before they started a build but it is a fact of life that some flaws need time to appear and all the proactive testing and QA in the world can not predict them.


Take it in, have it fixed and enjoy.

[teamturbo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You buy a new model car in the first 2 years of release you are gambling at best. It would be ideal if the manufacturers worked all the bugs out before they started a build but it is a fact of life that some flaws need time to appear and all the proactive testing and QA in the world can not predict them.


Take it in, have it fixed and enjoy.

Agreed. Perhaps I'm just being nitpicking. As long as there's not mechanical issues I'm satisfied overall. Definitely will push for everything to be fixed up before the 36 months. In the mean time, I will continue to let the heat lift the dash in the coming months and then opt for a replacement towards the end of summer.

[Astral Abyss]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

If you think that is low quality you should check out the mustang forums.

You beat me to it. Here's the crap I've had to deal with on my Mustang.

My list:
Replace radiator (leaked from factory) - 1 week

Engine fail-safe mode on highway for misfire detection - 3 weeks (dealer reprogrammed computer, hasn't returned)

Replaced warped rubber trim on roof - 2 months

Replace 12V outlet - 5 months (fell out of the car the first time I used it)

Popping sound from engine - 6 months (dealer had the car 2 weeks to figure it out... according to them - steel separator plate between aluminum engine block and transmission housing was popping as it heated up and expanded/cooled at a different rate then the aluminum around it... unfixable... they re-torqued the bolts and it's minor now... but still there. It's my version of the crickets.)

Replace wheel hub on front driver side - 1.5 years (wore down my tires unevenly so now I have to replace them sooner)

Seatbelt guide/hook digging into my Recaro seats and slowing tearing them - currently happening

Both windows etching/scratching from the door trim - currently happening

Doors/dash/console/rear deck/trunk/entire car rattling - currently happening

Who knows what's next, I just hope it happens before the warranty runs out.


So just remember, it could be worse... you could have bought a Mustang.

[IBill4You]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Nothing will ever be as dead nuts reliable as a 20 year old Honda. Unfortunately I think those days are behind us.

It turns how that many owners of new Honda's are going through the same thing. Early clutch failures on the FIT are a good example.

Strange you should mention that. I have a 2006 Civic that has OEM paint peeling off and just about every seal in the engine leaks oil. With their oil change intervals and how quickly the oil leaks out I never have to change my oil now!

This is before we understand how cheaply these cars are made.
It is a great commuter car for those who don't mind paying for maintenance, but Honda isn't what it used to be.

[rucfj159]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Nothing will ever be as dead nuts reliable as a 20 year old Honda. Unfortunately I think those days are behind us.

It turns how that many owners of new Honda's are going through the same thing. Early clutch failures on the FIT are a good example.

30 year old Volvos got the Hondas beat