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04-25-2022, 01:04 PM | #29 | |
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04-25-2022, 01:38 PM | #30 | |
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For example, you saw what joeymysterio did in order to improve bass response. It did nothing to improve the sound out of the door speakers. Second, I think you think there is some magic 5 minute plug 'n play solution. There isn't and there will never be. Even if the Kicker sub option were available, I still think there would be wiring solutions that would need to be done. The closest you are going to get will be the OEM+ solution which, at minimum, will require you opening up the door panels, rear panels and front grills and using a few tools. And frankly, for the cost, I am not sure it will be worth it. In any event, you need to understand that the current set-up drives and filters the primary speakers (door) differently from the rear/fronts. I'm not even sure I have this right or that it has been verified as being identical for the Gen2, but in Gen1, the front/rear are driven and filtered by the head unit (although I believe the front tweeters have their own crossovers) whereas the doors are driven/filtered by the lame amp in the trunk. All of this makes it very difficult to simply and cheaply upgrade. As for your DSP/Amp combination, I don't think the hardware you are talking about exists and, even if it did, wouldn't work anyway (without a complete rewire) as it would need more power than the existing AMP and would need to have unfiltered inputs from the head unit (which it has) but would then need to be wired up to the front and rear speakers directly (easy for the rears, and potentially doable for the fronts). In any event, the link I provided simply uses an almost plug and play amp to improve the volume and clarity of the sound out of the door speakers. |
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I think you understand what I am trying to accomplish and still keep it in my price range. To me the bass is there, it just gets garbled when the volume is turned to high. So your option without adding a bass should work well, and I could always add that later if need be. I am not willing to give up the space in the trunk at this time. I might consider one of those wheel-well subwoofers later. Please give me a link to the 5-channel amp that you recommend? Nothing fancy, because anything would be better than what I have. The reason I might be willing to go the 5-channel amp route is that it sounds like I will have to run new wires everywhere. If I am going to do that I would be willing to put more money into it to make it right the first time. (And no sub will help keep the cost down as well.) |
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I understand I cannot fix it to 100% without throwing a lot of money at it. I initially proposed to soundman98 that I wanted it 80% better. I realize if I wanted to go the last 20%, it would cost at least double that of the 80% better. I do understand there is not a quick fix, but I am willing to put the time into myself. As with anything, I want to get the most for my time and money. I also realize when you get to higher-end equipment you pay a premium with sometimes very little gains. This is true with any high-end name brands stuff where you are paying for the name just as much as any cutting-edge technology. I think DSP is an amp that uses “digital signal processing”. Again this is new to me so I might be wrong. What scares me about your link is that they warn of driving more power to the 2-ohm stock speakers could cause it to sound worse. soundman98 solution replaces the 2-ohm speakers with 4-ohm speakers. Since I do have to run new wires everywhere, I want to put a little more money into it to make sure it is fixed well enough ( to 80%), but thanks for the suggestion. The more info I get the better decision I can make. |
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on the gen1, the dash midrange, and tweeter have their own filtering--specifically a capacitor-type 6db/oct filter. the rear speakers do not have any filtering. you're right. technically, it is possible to remove the filtering of the oem speakers, and build your own. it would require replacing/bypassing the oem amp, and unsoldering the capacitors on the tweeters and midranges. but the reality is removing and reinstalling the speakers is a good portion of the work involved in rebuilding the sound system with alternate components that are easier to integrate together. so the only real reason to keep the oem speakers really is going to be stubbornness.
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admittedly, this is starting to get pretty far off topic. "ship of theseus" kind of off topic. adding an amp is about the same as insisting that the best way to improve a vehicle is to replace the motor, transmission, differential, suspension, and tires. is it really still considered 'improving' anymore if you've gutted and replaced the majority of the car? with the setup i recommended previously, only a 2-channel would be required if you wanted a little more oomph behind the speakers. a 4-channel amp could be used, in 2 possible methods. first by amplifying the rear speaker pair and the front speaker pair, or second, a DSP would be used between the radio and amp to filter the signals, and each individual amp channel would power a single woofer/tweeter. a 5 channel amp, the 5th channel is typically used for a subwoofer. unless you're running a sub, there's no benefit here. but as you're aware, the level of complexity increases exponentially at every step of this process. the method i recommended previously is the simple-straightforward method--speaker replacement off the oem head unit. the next step would be to either add a sub, or add an amp to those speakers-- either are relatively minor next-steps in that process, and integrating with the oem head unit is still relatively simple. but once one decides to add a 4 or 5 channel amp, the difficulty increases substantially. there's really no benefit to maintaining the oem head unit anymore, as maintaining it requires additional equipment to possibly un-filter and pre-filtered outputs of the unit, as well as adapters and converters to alter the signal path to get it into the aftermarket amps, and many times, it's preconfiguration turns out to be a boon to system setup, which leads to even more workarounds. an aftermarket head unit with better sound tuning options and RCA preout's becomes more useful for system integration at this point.. but then once you replace the headunit, the speakers, all the wiring, add power wiring to an amp, add the amp, and now we're quickly delving into programming a DSP to route signals where they ought to go... all because the sound system sounded 'hollow'? i like audio. i like talking audio. i like looking at audio devices. but there needs to be a point to all of it. there comes a point where it's no longer looking to attain a specific goal, and really just throwing money at things and hoping to succeed at a phantom goal that someone once told you about. i appreciate your willingness to look into further options, but the real questions here are these: if you 've never done something like this before, what's transpired to make you want all of everything now? is all this extra gear something that you have an interest in maintaining, or do you have enough recurring disposable income to pay someone else to maintain it for you? audio isn't all that different from tuning a motor. there's the oem tune that will work in all but the extreme scenarios, there's the subtle tweaks that one can make to the oem tune to work better for their use cases, and then there's the crowd that obliterates the oem setup, and enjoys spending their spare time logging, tweaking, and making their own tune. i'm not opposed to helping anyone with a new hobby, but i just don't get the impression that your end goal is a new hobby. i get the impression that you're looking for a "one-n-done" setup that improves things, keeps the simplicity of the oem head unit, and 'just works'. and while every setup can be made to 'just work', the installation complexity, and time it takes to setup such a system that simply gets more and more complex the further down the rabbit hole one goes. if you are suddenly interested in something more than just a speaker upgrade, but want/need to keep it as simple as possible, the oem+ would be an excellent upgrade path for that. everything is pre-configured to 'just work', and they have a support staff to aid in installation, with a documented well-sounding final product at the end of all of it.
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I have OEM Audio Plus in my 4Runner and I like it. It's good for the money - I'd say it's a few notches better than the Harmon Kardon system in my wife's 2018 Outback.
I got the replacement speakers, DSP/amp, and subwoofer. I'm considering adding their dedicated subwoofer amplifier. I would say it's worth waiting for. It's the best you're going to get for a "plug-n-play" solution. If you want better, you'll either pay a lot more because of parts and labor, or you're going to have to do a lot of research on audio system design, installation, and tuning. My friends and I taught ourselves how to install in the late 90's and early 2000's. In the late 2000's I really started getting into system design and tuning. I met a guy who was really good at that stuff (he won sound quality competitions) who helped me build a Pioneer PRS based system for my RX-8. It sounded amazing, but after I sold that car I decided it took much time and money to keep building sound systems for new cars. :P |
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of those 2 options, my preference would be the infinity amp, specifically for the additional adjustment knobs.
there's also the kicker key amp with a built-in dsp, which can help make it sound even better https://www.crutchfield.com/p_20647K...7KEY200-4.html i know some have insisted it's possible to run that alpine off the oem amp power wiring. regardless of that, i would still run new power/ground wiring off the battery. it's a decent amount of work to add an amp anyways, so adding a power wire really isn't that much more, pretty much all the same panels need to be pulled.
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OEM Audio Plus speaker upgrades are now available:
https://oemaudioplus.com/gr86-brz/ DSP/Amp/Sub still in development. The speaker upgrades should improve sound quality quite a bit. I replaced the speakers first on my 4Runner (non-JBL) with OEM Audio Plus and listened to that for a few weeks before installing their DSP/Amp and finally the subwoofer. Nice upgrade. |
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I also picked the two amps because, if I understand the car's wiring correctly, I need an amp that will take "speaker-level inputs". Am I correct here? Or is there preamp signal lines at the stock amp connector? Another question at your level of knowledge, is there anything options that I will lose by replacing an amp for the door speakers? For example, I read something about some stock amps handling voice commands or hands-free phone calls. And I guess I will lose the music tuning options on the head unit? |
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if you're going to amplify the speakers, the oem speaker wire is only something like 18-20gauge wire. i personally go a little overkill running 12-13ga, but i wouldn't push 50wrms into anything less than 16 gauge pure copper wire from a known-good supplier like crutchfield or knukonceptz. so once you're replacing the speaker wire to take full advantage of the amp, it's not even a full hop-skip-and-jump more to run a dedicated power line, as most of the panels that need pulled for the speaker wire need pulled for the amp cabling. Quote:
on the .org /threads/sub-amp-install.1516/page-2#post-44632 remove donut has tested/measured the oem signal and says it's really just a low level signal. so any amp should work just fine. most quality amps are going to have a high level input option anyways. Quote:
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