Twins future question

[wrh3]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Was not ....... I liked mine .......


humfrz

I liked mine as well, great car after a few mods

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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Doesn't matter if you would rather run it in back there are loads that do not. FWD can handle every bit of HP that RWD can if they engineer things right. Yes they have to deal with torque steer but that is no different than RWD having to deal with the rear end kicking out at high HP launch. Will they stop making high level Mustangs and turn them all into AWD just because people keep losing them on launch and bouncing off curbs (and crowds)?


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Actually not. The DOT tires available reach their limit around 300 bhp at the moment. The cars you mention definitely do not handle their power well, or even correctly.

Renault, VWAG and Ford have put around 300 bhp (with turbo engines, the torque is actually the relevant number) through the front wherls only. Both Ford and VWAG have now gone awd to get more power down. Renault hadn't increased the power. Honda unwisely retained fwd for their Europe version of the Civic type R which is a handful to drive as a result.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by 8RZ

Wrong, The NC (third gen) was the first complete re-design, and was hated by all.

Guess the PR guys really fooled you all. Good for them. The NC was an open top version of the RX8. Odd that Mazda tried to make it look the same as the previous version.

NC production cycle was 10 years, which was the point under discussion.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Actually not. The DOT tires available reach their limit around 300 bhp at the moment. The cars you mention definitely do not handle their power well, or even correctly.

Renault, VWAG and Ford have put around 300 bhp (with turbo engines, the torque is actually the relevant number) through the front wherls only. Both Ford and VWAG have now gone awd to get more power down. Renault hadn't increased the power. Honda unwisely retained fwd for their Europe version of the Civic type R which is a handful to drive as a result.

Are you fucked? The mustang handles the power well. It's their drivers who don't. Ford and VW have gone to AWD on their top tier models, as in 40k and above, more than likely to try and steal some sales from the STi. And the new Civic Type-R is tearing up tracks around the world.

Feel free to prove me wrong, but I highly doubt you will, since you usually only bring anecdotal evidence to the table.

[8RZ]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Guess the PR guys really fooled you all. Good for them. The NC was an open top version of the RX8. Odd that Mazda tried to make it look the same as the previous version.

NC production cycle was 10 years, which was the point under discussion.

RX8 was an abortion of a car, after my test drive I never looked back.

[D_Thissen]

DOT tires reach their limit at 300bhp?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Guess the PR guys really fooled you all. Good for them. The NC was an open top version of the RX8. Odd that Mazda tried to make it look the same as the previous version.

NC production cycle was 10 years, which was the point under discussion.

You really can't grasp the concept of platform sharing can you? Yes they share the same base platform. It ends there. One is not a "version" of the other they are still two radically different cars.

Clearly these are all just slightly different versions of the same car!

[D_Thissen]

Pretty sure the M/T ET street radial is DOT approved and will hold more than 300bhp. Also, I feel like torque is the bigger issue when hooking up vs horsepower.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Gforce

Guess the PR guys really fooled you all. Good for them. The NC was an open top version of the RX8. Odd that Mazda tried to make it look the same as the previous version.

NC production cycle was 10 years, which was the point under discussion.

..... my recollection is that the NC didn't share ANY parts from the previous versions of the miata ...... nor did it share ANY parts from the RX-8 ......


humfrz

[8RZ]

Originally Posted by humfrz

..... my recollection is that the NC didn't share ANY parts from the previous versions of the miata ...... nor did it share ANY parts from the RX-8 ......


humfrz

You are correct, just goes to show how much mis-information @Gfraud is spewing. Please stop posting and research more @Gforce.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by humfrz

..... nor did it share ANY parts from the RX-8 ......

Maybe they never came with the same parts, but some parts are interchangeable between the NC and FE.

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=382721
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=620715

Brakes, hubs, sway bars, seats, windshield wiper switches

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

..... my recollection is that the NC didn't share ANY parts from the previous versions of the miata ...... nor did it share ANY parts from the RX-8 ......


humfrz

It did indeed share the same platform as the RX8 but like I said above the platform does not make it the same. Loads of radically different vehicles share platforms.

"NC
The NC utilizes a version of the RX-8 chassis, shortened accordingly. Many suspension and braking components are interchangeable."

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It did indeed share the same platform as the RX8 but like I said above the platform does not make it the same. Loads of radically different vehicles share platforms.

"NC
The NC utilizes a version of the RX-8 chassis, shortened accordingly. Many suspension and braking components are interchangeable."

Well, I reckon we "see" platforms differently. To me a shortened "platform", makes it a different platform.......

Yep, my bad on the suspension and brakes part ......


humfrz

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Maybe they never came with the same parts, but some parts are interchangeable between the NC and FE.

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=382721
https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=620715

Brakes, hubs, sway bars, seats, windshield wiper switches

True, some of the parts are interchangeable. Usually, the interchangeable RX-8 parts are beefed up, compared to the NC parts.

I was having a bit of a senior moment .....


humfrz