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Old 02-13-2019, 09:06 PM   #29
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I really hope that isnít the case with my car. I had the recall service done about a month ago. I picked it up one and a half weeks later only only for my check engine light and slip light to come on. I brought it back and it turned out to be a bad ocv. Got it fixed and picked it up another week later. Two weeks of getting the car back and my engine completely fails on me driving on the highway. I turned it on and heard this loud knock on the motor so I got it towed to the same dealership. My car was running fine before I brought it in for the recall. I did it for peace of mind but ever since after Iíve been getting nothing but problems with my car. Do you think Toyota will blame me for the engine failing because of normal wear and tear?
Engines should not fail because of "normal wear and tear" so don't accept that as a reason! So you had the recall done to prevent the car from dying on the highway risking an accident, and the recall repair caused just that! Sorry to hear. Let us know what the dealer says.
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Ok so this same thing just happened with my car. Did the recall a couple weeks ago. Engine started rattling and losing power before shutting off completely in the middle of the road. Had it towed to the same dealer that did the recall.

They apparently spent the morning taking apart the "top" part of the engine which they say is where the recall work took place. They are now asking for my permission to take apart the bottom part. Here's the kicker: if they do this and it turns out the fault wasn't recall related, I will be on the hook for 8h of labor ($1072) CAD.

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See if they can get a factory rep to authorize the additional work?
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Ok so this same thing just happened with my car. Did the recall a couple weeks ago. Engine started rattling and losing power before shutting off completely in the middle of the road. Had it towed to the same dealer that did the recall.

They apparently spent the morning taking apart the "top" part of the engine which they say is where the recall work took place. They are now asking for my permission to take apart the bottom part. Here's the kicker: if they do this and it turns out the fault wasn't recall related, I will be on the hook for 8h of labor ($1072) CAD.

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Do they have the engine out? What did the find on the top half? Have they pulled an oil pan yet?
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The timing of the event clearly suggests it is from the recall work. I hope they do not pin it on you.

I would call the Corp Office and tell them that just the suggestion by the dealer that this is not from the recall work is an insult to you. (Maybe if Corp knows you are not going to take this lying down the Corp Office will work things out with the dealer in your favor)
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...30#post3188530 please leave an entry here if you have time and had engine failure shortly after the recall work was performed.
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Just thought I would add my experience so far with this valve spring recall, as I'm starting to see a couple other people here with similar experiences. I brought my car into my local Toyota dealership, they completed the recall in about 3 days. Then ~300 miles later I hear a hear a rattling noise while driving on the highway. Car proceeds to completely die and leave me stranded.

Luckily the dealership has had really good customer service and sent a truck to pick up my car. Turns out that I have a spun bearing and Toyota is going to cover the repair which requires a new short block.

I don't blame Toyota or the dealership here, as they both are doing everything they can to fix the issues, including providing a loaner car ect. It just sucks that Subaru screwed us over with these valve springs which require a engine teardown to fix (honestly how do you even manufacture bad valve springs? its a freaking spring..)

Right now I wish I could opt to put a real toyota engine in my car and not another FA20, can't say I'd buy another Subaru built car after all of this.
Ooooo man I am so glad I got rid of this car back in 2017. Bought it new in 2013. Mine was a 05/13 so falls right within this recall. The engine always made some funny clanking sounds during my ownership. I mean, it never left me stranded and I used it as a daily for 129,000kms but there was always something about the FA20 that didn't have my full confidence. First of all, it truly is a Subaru and I've always hated Subarus. I guess I just went along with- if Toyota were to invest in this product, it should be decent. I'm really a Toyota guy but man did Toyota ever screw up. Truth be told, this car is a Subaru product. Toyota has really kicked the bucket and now the Supra is a BMW. Anyways...

I've always hated boxer 4 cylinders. Overly complex for what they are. It just didn't make sense to me the design. Like the FA20: Two heads, the block is two pieces, 8 injectors, 4 camshafts. All those mechanical parts for a measly 200fwhp that a k20 did 10+ years earlier. The longer I owned the car and finding about all the short comings of the FA20, the more I hated the engine.

I love EVERYTHING about the car except the engine. If I were to buy another frs, I only want the shell. The FA20 just isn't great. So glad I got rid of my frs now knowing out this recall.
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Ok so this same thing just happened with my car. Did the recall a couple weeks ago. Engine started rattling and losing power before shutting off completely in the middle of the road. Had it towed to the same dealer that did the recall.

They apparently spent the morning taking apart the "top" part of the engine which they say is where the recall work took place. They are now asking for my permission to take apart the bottom part. Here's the kicker: if they do this and it turns out the fault wasn't recall related, I will be on the hook for 8h of labor ($1072) CAD.

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That doesnít seem right. When I got my car back to the original dealership they never told me I would be in the hook for anything. Toyota sent out a rep to look at the engine and determine if it would be covered.
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Ok so this same thing just happened with my car. Did the recall a couple weeks ago. Engine started rattling and losing power before shutting off completely in the middle of the road. Had it towed to the same dealer that did the recall.

They apparently spent the morning taking apart the "top" part of the engine which they say is where the recall work took place. They are now asking for my permission to take apart the bottom part. Here's the kicker: if they do this and it turns out the fault wasn't recall related, I will be on the hook for 8h of labor ($1072) CAD.

Thoughts on next steps?
Ask them to drop the oil pan and oil pick up screen ONLY so you pay maybe 1 hr labor if the pick up screen is clean. But if the screen is plugged with sealant you know its dealer's fault. AND GO SEE IT YOURSELF, take pictures of the oil pickup screen and whatever else they did on top of the engine.
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Not to mention that this was a voluntary recall on Subarus part. They were not forced to do it they just did. They could just as easily just said screw you to everybody that had the potential issue and made them pay for a new engine when it went. There are millions and millions of Subarus driving around out there that are problem free so this is not an indication of their whole production or quality.


I am at a loss to understand how the valve spring replacement would cause a spun bearing anyway. Maybe they didn't fill the oil up all the way after the work? Was it just coincidence that the infamous 2013 spun bearing issue happened after the work? On the bright side it means the engine get's replaced for free instead of out of pocket which is what would have happened if the bearing spun before the work was done.


We will hear a few horror stories from the repairs while the vast majority that have the work done with no issues will remain silent. This will make everybody run around screaming that the sky is falling. This is the way of the internet. Yes, it would totally suck to be one of the horror story guys but their experiences should not be considered the norm.

To be fair subaru is already in the midst of loosing 2 class action law suits for motor related problems right now. Nearly every single car they have made for the last 7-8 years has recalls out on it.

Saying it's voluntary is a little misleading, especially since they knew about the problem 6 years ago. My resale value now alone and the 3500 bucks that it will probably take off the car in the end shows subaru is doing us no favors. In my opinion It was a very low move how this recall was done and if you think subaru is just an unfortunate bystander I have to chuckle.

In terms of people blowing the issue out of proportion, there is a reason subaru is spending literally 500 million dollars to do this. They have no other choice. This failed recall issue is completely legit. In the past the forum has been oh 5 guys engines for a range of years fail, and issues get blown out whack, and everybody knows about it. This is 100% not the same situation as when there are 40 people with failures right away all coming to the forum and posting. You have to think how many people aren't on the forums and who have no idea about it. Especially if you expand that issue to all subarus. How many other model valve recall motors have failed? I think the reality is subaru figured out by the time you hit 6 digits of mileage and a few more years the failure rate was going to be extreme. Otherwise they would have handled it case by case you'd think.

Anyways when you have 4 years worth of posts and a handful of failures over that time, thats how things get skewed and issues seem bigger. When you have a crapload of people posting in a very short amount of time and you have new ones each day that says A LOT.
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To be fair subaru is already in the midst of loosing 2 class action law suits for motor related problems right now. Nearly every single car they have made for the last 7-8 years has recalls out on it.

Saying it's voluntary is a little misleading, especially since they knew about the problem 6 years ago. My resale value now alone and the 3500 bucks that it will probably take off the car in the end shows subaru is doing us no favors. In my opinion It was a very low move how this recall was done and if you think subaru is just an unfortunate bystander I have to chuckle.

In terms of people blowing the issue out of proportion, there is a reason subaru is spending literally 500 million dollars to do this. They have no other choice. This failed recall issue is completely legit. In the past the forum has been oh 5 guys engines for a range of years fail, and issues get blown out whack, and everybody knows about it. This is 100% not the same situation as when there are 40 people with failures right away all coming to the forum and posting. You have to think how many people aren't on the forums and who have no idea about it. Especially if you expand that issue to all subarus. How many other model valve recall motors have failed? I think the reality is subaru figured out by the time you hit 6 digits of mileage and a few more years the failure rate was going to be extreme. Otherwise they would have handled it case by case you'd think.

Anyways when you have 4 years worth of posts and a handful of failures over that time, thats how things get skewed and issues seem bigger. When you have a crapload of people posting in a very short amount of time and you have new ones each day that says A LOT.
Would like to see something that says they have know about this for 6 years.
The 4 years worth of posts have nothing to do with the spring recall. They were for oil starvation and if you read more of what I have said you would see I have called that issue for 3 years.
At no point did I say the issue with the recall failures was not legit.
You have jumped on a post with both feet before reading on for the updates and other posts. Don't take one post out of context.
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Ask them to drop the oil pan and oil pick up screen ONLY so you pay maybe 1 hr labor if the pick up screen is clean. But if the screen is plugged with sealant you know its dealer's fault. AND GO SEE IT YOURSELF, take pictures of the oil pickup screen and whatever else they did on top of the engine.
DO THIS ASAP! It's what saved me for being on the hook for my motor. The dealership avoided taking pictures of the oil pickup screen.
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Would like to see something that says they have know about this for 6 years.
The 4 years worth of posts have nothing to do with the spring recall. They were for oil starvation and if you read more of what I have said you would see I have called that issue for 3 years.
At no point did I say the issue with the recall failures was not legit.
You have jumped on a post with both feet before reading on for the updates and other posts. Don't take one post out of context.
The recall docs lay out the history of the problem and they were aware of it back in 2014. So not 6 years but still a good while.
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The recall docs lay out the history of the problem and they were aware of it back in 2014. So not 6 years but still a good while.
OK 4 I can understand. Was sort of weird that they knew about the problem before the cars were built!
Probably waited to see what sort of failure rate the springs had in the field before acting. There was likely a threshold that they crossed where they felt it was no longer acceptable.
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