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shellslinger · 10-03-2016, 11:55 AM

If you can wait I would get the Gruppe-S. Wonderful quality for the price. However, if you can't wait look for a second hand JDL, Tomei, OFH. The quality of the Gruppe-S is really nice for the price range. I've had mine for awhile now and have no issues with it.

haavardnk · 10-03-2016, 12:08 PM

I would like to buy used, but because I need international shipping people either dont bother or shipping costs is ridiculous compared to firms..

sirbobbinhood · 10-03-2016, 01:20 PM

1320 was awesome to deal with and I haven't had any problems with their header. I've had it on 3 autocross days and 2 or 3 months of daily driving.

It's loud with the N1 exhaust but fitment was pretty good and the price was great.

Vin · 10-03-2016, 02:36 PM

Search for a Kinugawa header, 100% same as Gruppe S but avaliable on eBay, bought mine for 450 euro incl overpipe incl shipping ex import. Prices seem higher now, 600 euro ex import

Cole · 10-03-2016, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KendallH

Avoid the CNT. Mine has had a nasty leak right at the passenger side head flange since about a week after installation. This was with brand new OEM gaskets and it has been torqued and retorqued numerous times with no improvement.

My experience has been the opposite. Zero problems with mine. Sounds like you don't have a flat flange.

KendallH · 10-03-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole

My experience has been the opposite. Zero problems with mine. Sounds like you don't have a flat flange.

Uhm, yeah. That would be the problem. The flange was warped out of the box.

Cole · 10-03-2016, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KendallH

Uhm, yeah. That would be the problem. The flange was warped out of the box.

So you installed a defective part? I'd go as far as saying that it's user error on your end for having a leaky header.

haavardnk · 10-03-2016, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vin

Search for a Kinugawa header, 100% same as Gruppe S but avaliable on eBay, bought mine for 450 euro incl overpipe incl shipping ex import. Prices seem higher now, 600 euro ex import

Interesting!
Looks like that one is 549 shipped, same as the gruppe-s. I just cant find out if it comes with hardware or not?

SPCorBUST · 10-03-2016, 06:07 PM

IMO, Gruppe-S, hands down. It's very similar to Tomei with similar results, and you can see that from Bob at Drift Office's testing.

If you want to spend money on a header, JDL and others are not the way to go, Ace is, hands down.

D_Thissen · 10-03-2016, 06:29 PM

No problems with my Borla UEL (ver 2)

Vin · 10-04-2016, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by haavardnk

Interesting!
Looks like that one is 549 shipped, same as the gruppe-s. I just cant find out if it comes with hardware or not?

Some sellers include hardware and others don't, just ask the seller. I paid 17 euros for all hardware required.

KendallH · 10-04-2016, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole

So you installed a defective part? I'd go as far as saying that it's user error on your end for having a leaky header.

Kinda doubt that, being that I'm an ASE certified mechanic and it was installed in my shop using proper tools, including a $480 Snapon digital torque wrench.

Cole · 10-04-2016, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KendallH

Kinda doubt that, being that I'm an ASE certified mechanic and it was installed in my shop using proper tools, including a $480 Snapon digital torque wrench.

And you still installed a defective part, then bitched about a leak. I'm not sure what part of "user error" you're not understanding here.

For what it's worth, I installed my CNT header in my garage, using 25+ year old jack, jackstands, craftsman tools and no torque wrench and haven't had a single issue with it.

D_Thissen · 10-04-2016, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KendallH

Uhm, yeah. That would be the problem. The flange was warped out of the box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KendallH

Kinda doubt that, being that I'm an ASE certified mechanic and it was installed in my shop using proper tools, including a $480 Snapon digital torque wrench.

Why would you install a header with a warped flange? A 480 dollar torque wrench won't fix that. Common sense would.

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SPCorBUST Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 935 Thanks: 525 Thanked 399 Times in 255 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	IMO, Gruppe-S, hands down. It's very similar to Tomei with similar results, and you can see that from Bob at Drift Office's testing. If you want to spend money on a header, JDL and others are not the way to go, Ace is, hands down. __________________ Setup 1: KW C38, Grams 550, Grams 265, 4bar, FlexFuel, Delicious Setup 3: JR C30, DW 700, Grams 265, 3bar, FlexFuel, Moto-East Setup 4: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, Grams 265, 3bar, FlexFuel, Church Setup 5: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, DW 300, 3bar, FlexFuel, Delicious, Built Motor Setup 6: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, DW 300, 3bar, FlexFuel, Delicious, Closed Deck Built Motor

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shellslinger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: DFW, TX Posts: 597 Thanks: 210 Thanked 309 Times in 186 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	If you can wait I would get the Gruppe-S. Wonderful quality for the price. However, if you can't wait look for a second hand JDL, Tomei, OFH. The quality of the Gruppe-S is really nice for the price range. I've had mine for awhile now and have no issues with it.

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Vin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Drives: 2012 GT86 EU-spec Location: The Netherlands Posts: 204 Thanks: 232 Thanked 149 Times in 99 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Search for a Kinugawa header, 100% same as Gruppe S but avaliable on eBay, bought mine for 450 euro incl overpipe incl shipping ex import. Prices seem higher now, 600 euro ex import

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