New hybrid drivetrain for Gen2 86?

[Mim]

More details have emerged of Toyota’s go-fast Yaris, the Hybrid-R.

As outlined by Drive last month, the three-door Hybrid-R is powered by a 1.6-litre turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine and two electric motors, producing a combined system output of 313kW.

Toyota has now confirmed the Hybrid-R sends power to all four wheels, with rear drive courtesy of a 45kW electric motor providing “electric” four-wheel drive capability. The electric motor generates electricity during braking and supplements the petrol engine during acceleration, and acts as an advanced traction control system.
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The Hybrid-R switches between “road” and “track” modes with a steering wheel-mounted button.

Track mode makes full use of available performance, with the rear electric motors able to reach a combined maximum power peak of 90kW for up to five seconds.

Cosmetically, the Yaris Hybrid-R gets distinctive headlights, a wider front grille and black and blue body highlights.

The front bumper incorporates two large air intakes and blue LED daytime running lights. As well as enhancing the car’s appearance, the intakes contribute to cooling the grooved and perforated front disc brakes (which are also fitted to the rear).

The flared fenders house bespoke 18-inch TRD wheels fitted with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres, which cater to road and track uses.

At the rear, a spoiler is mounted on the roof and the bumper incorporates a large diffuser with an exhaust pipe framed by two air extractors.

Inside, the Hybrid-R sports a racey interior scheme complete with two-tone Recaro bucket seats.

The Hybrid-R has been developed according to global race regulations, making it suitable for categories in the World Rally Championship and World Touring Car Championship.

The Hybrid R drivetrain uses supercapacitors rather than batteries to store energy, the same technology as used on its Le Mans-type sportscar. Toyota is expected to use the high-energy system in a future sportscar applications, most likely in the successor to the Toyota Supra and the second-generation 86.

Source - http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...905-2t6tl.html

So just when talk of those supercapacitors was thought dead along comes this little animal.

[finch1750]

Tada has been quoted as saying he wanted this to be a next step in the 86 line. Its a matter of the technology becoming production affordable. I personally hope it happens and the Yaris here looks like it is moving that way for sure.

[Mim]

Its pretty cool seeing Toyota finally getting back into the groove with products starting to fall into the 'want' rather than the 'need' catagory of late.

Even if its only 200kw omg imagine the Torque. If they can pack all that into such a small platform just imagine what can be done with the 86 with its greater space for packaging?

We live in good times.

[BRZerk]

wont hybrid drive add all kinds of weight?

[topazsparrow]

Originally Posted by BRZerk

wont hybrid drive add all kinds of weight?

My thoughts exactly. While it's probably still going to be a great car, if they can't keep the weight in check it will ruin the spirit of the car.

I have no doubts the benefits would outweigh (no pun) the weight related disadvantages but at what cost? adding another 3k to the price tag? Overstepping the bounds of the current tires? Changing the handling characteristics?

[husker741]

I never thought these words would come out of my mouth... I want a Yaris.

[RurumariGhost]

Originally Posted by BRZerk

wont hybrid drive add all kinds of weight?

most of the weight from hybrid systems comes from the batteries. If they're using supercapacitors instead, there should not be as much of a weight penalty.

[SkitterSkotter]

Originally Posted by RurumariGhost

most of the weight from hybrid systems comes from the batteries. If they're using supercapacitors instead, there should not be as much of a weight penalty.

That's kind of what I was going to say, it really depends on how they decide to incorporate the system. It may add a bit of weight, but it could also make the car quite interesting. Now I realize this comparison is a bit over the top, but after watching videos of the 918 and P1, I can honestly understand and see the appeal of using a high-performance hybrid. My hope would be that they use a very compact and light system to supplement the car during hard acceleration and driving slowly.

[chrisl]

313kW? Isn't that a bit excessive in a Yaris?

(That's 420 hp...)

[Steve201brz]

Originally Posted by chrisl

313kW? Isn't that a bit excessive in a Yaris?

(That's 420 hp...)

i don't get it. there seems to be a craze with making regular cars into something they clearly aren't. what's next? a 400hp camry?

although, interesting potential in terms of technology...

[clayrush]

I made a couple of comments on the yahoo article yesterday. .... and the were remove.
and I was making encouraging remarks.

[OnkelC]

Originally Posted by chrisl

313kW? Isn't that a bit excessive in a Yaris?

(That's 420 hp...)

That's peak HP for a couple seconds when the two electric motors kick in. Think of it as a KERS system, coupled with an additional electric motor as a generator.

base power of the motor is supposed to be "only" around 300HP.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by OnkelC

That's peak HP for a couple seconds when the two electric motors kick in. Think of it as a KERS system, coupled with an additional electric motor as a generator.

base power of the motor is supposed to be "only" around 300HP.

Yeah, but I still think that's a bit excessive in a Yaris. I can't imagine that's a great chassis for that kind of power (even just the 300hp of the gas engine).

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Yeah, but I still think that's a bit excessive in a Yaris. I can't imagine that's a great chassis for that kind of power (even just the 300hp of the gas engine).

Probably just a test platform.
I highly doubt that would ever be released.
They're probably doing experiments to say "holy #(&%^#@)$&@()#$& we made a 300hp YARIS, imagine what we could do with an 86, Supra, IS, etc"