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evo4g63 · 08-30-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar

Better? Well that depends on what you consider better...

I dont know what the cooling system is like on the innovate but the non-intercooled edition is much easier to install than the vortech (though you do have to remove fuel components so as long as you are comfortable). And removing the belt is much simpler. The oil is harder to change, but you do it much less often than the vortech, which i like.

Vortech has been around longer, and has a long reputation and stands by their products. I feel their kit is much more complicated to install.

However when it comes to power delivery? As we don't have access to an intercooled edition in the US yet we cannot test, but we will likely be running comparison tests once they start to pop up. As for non intercooled? The vortech has a nicer pull on the top end. I made a good 25% more horse power at peak than the innovate guys (I am waiting on this dyno from the shop to show). However the torque was lower. So when it came down to higher rev's and acceleration the vortech was better. But when it came out to balanced torque distribution the innovate wins. It is your choice as to which you want.

Also note the vortech has a decent amount of headroom. I am not even maxing mine out revolution wise and I dyno'd almost 50% higher peak power than the innovate (which was not maxed out, but afaik it doesn't have too much headroom above that).

I love both the kits, and feel they both have their place. If you have access to E85 then that is another bonus, the innovate ran great after we pumped e85 into the system.

Either way it's preference. Your car is on more psi via the pulley you have. I feel the Innovate will be a bit more of a surprise intercooled and with a smaller pulley 😈 For now Vortech wins power and probably will hands down without a doubt. Just no way to even compare closely without an IC and more boost.

Boblhead · 08-30-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign

Took a look at both cars. Brents was leaking due to heat cycles. Theses need to be re torqued after a heat cycle. I pulled the header off and checked the flanges. Bother were straight. I re installed it, got it hot, re torqued the header, and added some sea foam to ensure we had no leaks. Car is leak free now

The other car def had an issue and im correcting that now. It would be nice if we didnt get throw us under the bus as soon as there was an issue. We are here to help you guys so dont hesitate to ask

We recommend starting with the single bolt and then torque the outer 2. Also stainless steel expands and contracts with heat cycles so it would be a good idea to check on them from time to time

I guess from now on we just won't talk about it.

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JDLAutoDesign · 08-30-2013, 03:53 PM

You all can talk about it all you like. It would nice if the facts would be mentioned if you (whoever) do. The pics that had a piece of another gasket is from a customers install. I told him I would look over everything to ensure our product was good to go. That is what I found upon removal of the header.

Bonks86 · 08-30-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign

You all can talk about it all you like. It would nice if the facts would be mentioned if you (whoever) do. The pics that had a piece of another gasket is from a customers install. I told him I would look over everything to ensure our product was good to go. That is what I found upon removal of the header.

Hey buddy I told you over the phone i stuck that up in there to help with the leak after I put it all back together Monday night. lol It got me along for the week and I never threw anyone under the bus or even posted about it leaking, I asked if you could take a look at it

JDLAutoDesign · 08-30-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonks86

Hey buddy I told you over the phone i stuck that up in there to help with the leak after I put it all back together Monday night. lol It got me along for the week and I never threw anyone under the bus or even posted about it leaking, I asked if you could take a look at it

Not you at all. You and Brent called us to let you know you had issues and we have no problems helping you out

Bonks86 · 08-30-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign

Not you at all. You and Brent called us to let you know you had issues and we have no problems helping you out

ooo Ok, I was like damnnn son I didn't say anything about a leak on the forum at all. I knew it was either my poor install or that there was a small adjustment needed. I was fed up with trying to fix it myself on Monday that i fab'd up that sweet little piece of a gasket you found haha. It did help keep down the leak a bit for the time being

Bonks86 · 08-30-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar

@JDLAutoDesign glad to see it wasn't a huge deal! Now we need to find some time to re-dyno

Wher are we hitting up a dynojet?

Sivtec · 08-30-2013, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boblhead

I guess from now on we just won't talk about it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JDLAutoDesign

You all can talk about it all you like. It would nice if the facts would be mentioned if you (whoever) do. The pics that had a piece of another gasket is from a customers install. I told him I would look over everything to ensure our product was good to go. That is what I found upon removal of the header.

Ha Bobby didn't mean anything by "we just won't talk about it". To the JDL guys, it was an ongoing joke we had for dyno weekend. Apparently no one wanted to talk about anything. Just giving you some insight from what that phrase now means. We were think about getting shirts made? @Ninjin

EZWood · 08-30-2013, 04:35 PM

I have to say I am impressed with the 8 extra HP bonks car made with the JDL header. I would like to compare our dyno plots to see what the differences are on the whole rpm range.

redsuns03 · 08-31-2013, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar

@JDLAutoDesign glad to see it wasn't a huge deal! Now we need to find some time to re-dyno

Speaking of re dyno can I join in on this? Getting 5pc light weight pulleys from @Raceseng and would love to do it when it arrives! And wanting to see how the trd exhaust perform.

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nelsmar · 08-31-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EZWood

I have to say I am impressed with the 8 extra HP bonks car made with the JDL header. I would like to compare our dyno plots to see what the differences are on the whole rpm range.

I can overlay them later when I get to my desk.

nelsmar · 08-31-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redsuns03

Speaking of re dyno can I join in on this? Getting 5pc light weight pulleys from @Raceseng and would love to do it when it arrives! And wanting to see how the trd exhaust perform.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 4

Of course! I just need to get some work done and we will figure a day out here soon. I think Keith has a dyno jet in mind. I plan on going to both a dynojet and back to goodspeed

mattles · 08-31-2013, 03:20 PM

its mostly marins car that we dont talk about. The day right after the dyno day when it broke... I dont wanna talk about it.

nelsmar · 09-03-2013, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mattles

its mostly marins car that we dont talk about. The day right after the dyno day when it broke... I dont wanna talk about it.

What about the day of the dyno day when it broke down? Shit. Me and @Ninjin just got the car permanently fixed... Now to hit the dyno for final numbers and to get the overlays -.-

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JDLAutoDesign Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 13 FRS Location: Phx AZ Posts: 1,827 Thanks: 389 Thanked 1,437 Times in 652 Posts Mentioned: 104 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	You all can talk about it all you like. It would nice if the facts would be mentioned if you (whoever) do. The pics that had a piece of another gasket is from a customers install. I told him I would look over everything to ensure our product was good to go. That is what I found upon removal of the header.

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EZWood BAMF Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 13 fr-s, whiteout, MT. 94 ZJ Location: Apache Junction, Az Posts: 1,007 Thanks: 209 Thanked 345 Times in 215 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have to say I am impressed with the 8 extra HP bonks car made with the JDL header. I would like to compare our dyno plots to see what the differences are on the whole rpm range.

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