Subaru previews next-generation BRZ, announces November 18th unveiling date

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Meh.
Yes but under that definition the guys you corrected was right as well.
You like to scour the internet and post whatever waste of print is even slightly relevant and I disagree with much of it and state my opinion. Am I just supposed to remain silent because I don't believe it? Yu only want to hear from the people that believe it all?
The track record of accuracy of may sources is so abysmal that it is a wonder that anybody still believes it much less spreads it. There are many of us that don't believe all the crap it isn't just me.

ok, either way the fake timeline says production will start in Spring of 2021. so everyone can STFU about that.

its a car forum. if all we could do is repost just a press release then there wouldn't be much to talk about. im not saying you can't express your opinion. i just think its funny when someone does find xyz to be creditable you automatically discredited it. its like only your opinion is correct.

do you have factual numbers about the 99.9% of the time the fakes news is wrong? that's cool, we get your point. its all fake news. we'll just have to agree to disagree. i dont want to further derail the thread. if you want to continue this discussion i'll happily do it via PM.

[C4RBON]

At my company, a "launch" date is when we start producing a new vintage of an assembly or product. During product development, there can be several launch dates, depending on the stage of the program, or what assembly/product you are referring to.

We use Start of Production (SOP) as the date where salable products begin assembly. Start of Dealer Sales (SODS) is when a customer can purchase the product. I am never involved with our media/marketing announcements/unveiling/launches, so I have no idea what we even call that.

Different companies and industries use different terms. I'm sure Subaru and Toyota have some preferred TLAs of their own for these product development milestones.

I think we can agree that there will be some kind of BRZ unveiling announcement this year, then salable cars will start production, and you can buy one sometime next year. Unless their plans change, because reasons.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by gymratter

sales of the 370Z and twins have dropped, but they're still doing better than the Z. EU models could still use the same old FA20.

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-nissan-370z/

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-toyota-gt86/

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-subaru-brz/

Maybe, but I still think it might get the axe. Besides, they get the GR Yaris.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well how about we link the actual Subaru information instead of some Instagram quasi news.
https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/future-vehicles.html

Has everyone signed up for updates?


Also, interesting that only Subaru has the next gen BRZ as a future vehicle on their website but Toyota does not do the same for the GR86.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

Has everyone signed up for updates?


Also, interesting that only Subaru has the next gen BRZ as a future vehicle on their website but Toyota does not do the same for the GR86.

Since I put my money where my mouth is I check the Toyota news feeds on a regular basis.
It is as if the 86 doesn't even exist. The last reference directly to the 86 was in 2016 when they announced the facelift.
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/to...925.1602085046


The whole idea that the new gen would be called a GR86 seems to be from the clickbaits deciding that since Toyota was coming out with a whole GR lineup the 86 would be one of them. It is strangely lacking in the release on that topic as well even back in 2017!
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/24156885.html
Could get a GR Prius in Japan though!

[jordan7831]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Look closer. GR Yaris wheels are clearly stamped/forged. More pronounced lines. The BRZ wheels are cast. All the lines near the hub blend together, and has an embossed mark on the rim, rather than embedded markings. Same style, different process.

Not to mention they say "FORGED" in big letters.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

It’s hard to see much detail in those shots, but that is probably the closest thing we’ve seen yet to the actual 2nd gen. The TNGA architecture is really awesome so I’m crossing my fingers it could be using that platform. I’m not sure how easily a RWD setup would be on TNGA. Imagine this curve ball, what if they used a Toyota sourced engine?! I mean Toyota owns a big stake in Subaru, so they call the shots.
Either way I think it’s looking great so far, and staying very close to the 1st gen design language. Love those wheels also.


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It is NOT using the damned TNGA platform nor a Toyota engine. It is the same old platform with a different engine and some body panel changes.
It is almost exclusively a Subaru product to built in a Subaru plant. Those old rumours are just silly and need not be perpetuated!

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Since I put my money where my mouth is I check the Toyota news feeds on a regular basis.
It is as if the 86 doesn't even exist. The last reference directly to the 86 was in 2016 when they announced the facelift.
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/to...925.1602085046


The whole idea that the new gen would be called a GR86 seems to be from the clickbaits deciding that since Toyota was coming out with a whole GR lineup the 86 would be one of them. It is strangely lacking in the release on that topic as well even back in 2017!
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/24156885.html
Could get a GR Prius in Japan though!

Honestly really makes me wonder if they even plan to continue it when the 4cyl A90 exists.

Sure it's not exactly equal in characteristics but it provides the power bump all the complainers have begged for all these years.

[vh_supra26]

I don't think it's that farfetch. The new Zupra is technically referred as the "GR Zupra".

https://www.toyota.com/gr-supra/

[PandaEighty-Six]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Since I put my money where my mouth is I check the Toyota news feeds on a regular basis.
It is as if the 86 doesn't even exist. The last reference directly to the 86 was in 2016 when they announced the facelift.
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/to...925.1602085046


The whole idea that the new gen would be called a GR86 seems to be from the clickbaits deciding that since Toyota was coming out with a whole GR lineup the 86 would be one of them. It is strangely lacking in the release on that topic as well even back in 2017!
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/24156885.html
Could get a GR Prius in Japan though!

That's definitely notable, though there was this article from 2019 which quoted Tada, for what it's worth:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/29991/...chief-engineer

Granted, not much is said, but it is a Toyota engineer making a reference.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PandaEighty-Six

That's definitely notable, though there was this article from 2019 which quoted Tada, for what it's worth:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/29991/...chief-engineer

Granted, not much is said, but it is a Toyota engineer making a reference.

Quotes in the drive don’t count. Context, editing and even deliberate falsification to sell clicks all come into play.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The whole idea that the new gen would be called a GR86 seems to be from the clickbaits deciding that since Toyota was coming out with a whole GR lineup the 86 would be one of them. It is strangely lacking in the release on that topic as well even back in 2017

Over here Toyota bundle the current 86 under the “GR & Performance” part of the Toyota website. Guess they get it from that?

https://www.toyota.com.au/

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Over here Toyota bundle the current 86 under the “GR & Performance” part of the Toyota website. Guess they get it from that?

https://www.toyota.com.au/

Could be. It would be a logical name IF GR had any input into the design. Just a silly name if they are simply throwing it on there for marketing clout.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is NOT using the damned TNGA platform nor a Toyota engine. It is the same old platform with a different engine and some body panel changes.
It is almost exclusively a Subaru product to built in a Subaru plant. Those old rumours are just silly and need not be perpetuated!

Hey we don’t know until it’s actually released in 2023



Kidding aside, I hope they at least strongly considered using TNGA. The new WRX platform could be awesome also. I’m not sure how modular that is though.


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