Toyota GR Yaris

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by JD001

IMHO, I think that there will about 20 or 30bhp lurking in the engine due to emission control etc. So get the breathing right and a small tune, perhaps a slightly bigger turbo will see some gains.. I'm just really hoping that it lives up to its current spec..and fingers crossed, Toyota may build one without the rear seats and other lightweight goodies.. and sell it as a 'track-lite' road version...

When I look back at previous homologated cars such as the Cosworths, E30 M3s, Subarus, Mitsubishis, Lancias etc.. all had conservative bhp for the road versions but easily let up extra bhp through aftermarket tuning..

Ah the days of over engineering and not cost cutting of today.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Correlation does not imply causation.

I know that. It's just the way it plays out. I'm implementing hyperbole to make it seem more funny.

I know it's not that guy's fault. It's just funny that despite all the people saying "yes" Toyota's Twitter responded to the one guy saying"no"

It's funny that for once Toyota appeared to be willing to share the "cool" version of the car and then it gets yanked away at the last minute because of a comedy of errors.

So once again while the world gets the light, 3-door, AWD, turbo purpose-built car. We will get the less exciting version.

But hey if the GR Corolla is AWD and lighter then I will come back to this post and eat my words, gladly .

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by JD001

IMHO, I think that there will about 20 or 30bhp lurking in the engine due to emission control etc.

So <10%, which is what I posted earlier which is chump change for most turbo engines classified as having 'lots of headroom' Going from 260-270 up to touching 300hp at the crank, probably about 240whp. It's fantastic for something with such low displacement, but it's not like we're getting half a 2JZ in this thing making 300WHP with just a tune.

Although in some ways it is like having half a 2JZ, getting over 200whp with 3 cylinders is dope.

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

It's funny that for once Toyota appeared to be willing to share the "cool" version of the car and then it gets yanked away at the last minute because of a comedy of errors.

So once again while the world gets the light, 3-door, AWD, turbo purpose-built car. We will get the less exciting version.

Lets be honest, a tiny $35k Yaris wouldn't sell for shit in the US. A couple thousand would get sold to die hards and the vast majority would laugh it off. A 2-door 3-cylinder up against V8 Mustangs and Camaros?

It's not a 'comedy of errors' it's 'lets not lose hundreds of thousands of dollars by trying to sell this car in a market that doesn't want it'.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Lets be honest, a tiny $35k Yaris wouldn't sell for shit in the US. A couple thousand would get sold to die hards and the vast majority would laugh it off. A 2-door 3-cylinder up against V8 Mustangs and Camaros?

It's not a 'comedy of errors' it's 'lets not lose hundreds of thousands of dollars by trying to sell this car in a market that doesn't want it'.

Took the words right out of my mouth. The Yaris GR4 would likely flop in the US. That's just the market here in the US. The vast majority of Americans (even those who supposedly want "sports cars") want muscle cars or sedans. They don't want hot hatches (RIP Speed 3, STI hatch, Fiesta ST, Focus ST/RS, dying Golf R). Hell they don't even want lightweight roadsters (RIP S2000, Sky/Solstice, dying ND Miata) or lightweight coupes (RIP RX-7, RX-8, dying Twins).

People love to blame the manufacturers for not bringing fun, lightweight cars to the US, but you can't blame them. The cars they do bring lose out in the HP wars. Even when people buy them, they don't want to pay new car prices so they buy them used.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

dying ND Miata

Miata is dying?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Miata is dying?

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-...sales-figures/

Not many people buying the ND, even with the refresh.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Took the words right out of my mouth. The Yaris GR4 would likely flop in the US. That's just the market here in the US. The vast majority of Americans (even those who supposedly want "sports cars") want muscle cars or sedans. They don't want hot hatches (RIP Speed 3, STI hatch, Fiesta ST, Focus ST/RS, dying Golf R). Hell they don't even want lightweight roadsters (RIP S2000, Sky/Solstice, dying ND Miata) or lightweight coupes (RIP RX-7, RX-8, dying Twins).

People love to blame the manufacturers for not bringing fun, lightweight cars to the US, but you can't blame them. The cars they do bring lose out in the HP wars. Even when people buy them, they don't want to pay new car prices so they buy them used.

Frankly, I'll take a hot or even mild corolla over no GR4 yaris. Even if I can only squeeze out another 20-30hp reliably, I would be happy. My days of heavy modding are fading away with age.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Took the words right out of my mouth. The Yaris GR4 would likely flop in the US. That's just the market here in the US. The vast majority of Americans (even those who supposedly want "sports cars") want muscle cars or sedans. They don't want hot hatches (RIP Speed 3, STI hatch, Fiesta ST, Focus ST/RS, dying Golf R). Hell they don't even want lightweight roadsters (RIP S2000, Sky/Solstice, dying ND Miata) or lightweight coupes (RIP RX-7, RX-8, dying Twins).

People love to blame the manufacturers for not bringing fun, lightweight cars to the US, but you can't blame them. The cars they do bring lose out in the HP wars. Even when people buy them, they don't want to pay new car prices so they buy them used.

this may have been one of the most depressing posts i've seen on this site. But you're not wrong. it's why Mitsubishi only sells an suv and 3 crossovers now. Around here people adore the new Mustang and the Challenger.

So the question is, how do we keep Japanese sports cars alive in the US when the demographic is the way it is?

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Frankly, I'll take a hot or even mild corolla over no GR4 yaris. Even if I can only squeeze out another 20-30hp reliably, I would be happy. My days of heavy modding are fading away with age.

You make a fair point. It took me 15 years to be able to buy my Supra. Now that I have it I'm of two minds. The old me want to do an amazing build, the current me wants to restore it as best as I can to insure it lives a long life.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Correlation does not imply causation.

OH?

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Pat

OH?

I can see the relationship.. is he still making films? Someone should stop him as he's a liability..

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/mazda-...sales-figures/

Not many people buying the ND, even with the refresh.

Almost 2x miatas sold vs 86 and BRZ combined.

More mustangs sold in March than the other three combined all year.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Almost 2x miatas sold vs 86 and BRZ combined.

More mustangs sold in March than the other three combined all year.

Haha and two times zero is...?

The latter was really my point anyway.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

I know that. It's just the way it plays out. I'm implementing hyperbole to make it seem more funny.

I know it's not that guy's fault. It's just funny that despite all the people saying "yes" Toyota's Twitter responded to the one guy saying"no"

My apologies. I didn't see the humour in your post. Sometimes emotional content isn't apparent in forum posts.