(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Always? The GM lineup prior to the Corvette never struck me as sporty...

Outside of a few makes, cars in the 40s and before I generally wouldn't consider sporty anyways.

Now I think he could have phrased that as "Since the 50s" to be more accurate.. but of course Porsche would be included in that, as would Ferrari.

Bugatti of course is an example of someone making sports cars long before Chevy.. but they've also died a few times... so not sure I would call them consistent..

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Outside of a few makes, cars in the 40s and before I generally wouldn't consider sporty anyways.

Now I think he could have phrased that as "Since the 50s" to be more accurate.. but of course Porsche would be included in that, as would Ferrari.

Bugatti of course is an example of someone making sports cars long before Chevy.. but they've also died a few times... so not sure I would call them consistent..

Indeed. One could make an argument that all the American sports cars were a reaction to the European market offerings post WWII. Regarding the comment on GM, I would not consider Porsche, Ferrari, or any of the British sports car manufacturers to have a "broad range of offerings" including family cars, trucks, etc.

But back on topic: I really wish I knew whether or not I am going to like the next gen platform. When will the real leaks start? Given the "slide show" saying a 2021 rollout as a 2022 model, I would expect some spy shots/leaks by now.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Indeed. One could make an argument that all the American sports cars were a reaction to the European market offerings post WWII. Regarding the comment on GM, I would not consider Porsche, Ferrari, or any of the British sports car manufacturers to have a "broad range of offerings" including family cars, trucks, etc.

But back on topic: I really wish I knew whether or not I am going to like the next gen platform. When will the real leaks start? Given the "slide show" saying a 2021 rollout as a 2022 model, I would expect some spy shots/leaks by now.

Eh, info on the 2013 MY wasn't exactly available in abundance until shortly before release either. I'd suspect the same here. Subaru at least is very good at keeping secrets.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Outside of a few makes, cars in the 40s and before I generally wouldn't consider sporty anyways.

Now I think he could have phrased that as "Since the 50s" to be more accurate.. but of course Porsche would be included in that, as would Ferrari.

Bugatti of course is an example of someone making sports cars long before Chevy.. but they've also died a few times... so not sure I would call them consistent..

Well, that's why I said "manufacturers that cover a broad range of products". None of those companies would even exist if they didn't produce sports cars.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by nextcar

But back on topic: I really wish I knew whether or not I am going to like the next gen platform. When will the real leaks start? Given the "slide show" saying a 2021 rollout as a 2022 model, I would expect some spy shots/leaks by now.

Perhaps they just skinned the test mules like a Corolla or Impreza to avoid drawing attention to them? Depending on which platform it's on of course.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Eh, info on the 2013 MY wasn't exactly available in abundance until shortly before release either. I'd suspect the same here. Subaru at least is very good at keeping secrets.

But isn't this being built on Toyota's TNG platform? I am somewhat confused by this all, since this would imply to me that although the production of the body may still be done by Subaru, wouldn't all the prototypes be done by Toyota?

Or does Toyota simply turn over all the design documents and models for the TNG platform to Subaru and let them build prototypes...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, that's why I said "manufacturers that cover a broad range of products". None of those companies would even exist if they didn't produce sports cars.

Both produced family cars (ok so I'm calling anything with 4 seats a family car ) at some point in their existence. So did Bugatti.

Kinda depends on what one means by a broad range of products though.. if one has to include pickup trucks, sure.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by nextcar

But isn't this being built on Toyota's TNG platform? I am somewhat confused by this all, since this would imply to me that although the production of the body may still be done by Subaru, wouldn't all the prototypes be done by Toyota?

Or does Toyota simply turn over all the design documents and models for the TNG platform to Subaru and let them build prototypes...

Both companies have info on the car, I just know that Subaru is good at keeping secrets. Not sure how good Toyota is at it, but I guess pretty good considering.

But recalling back to the 2013MY IIRC the first real info was discovered in late 2011.. and the first cars were delivered to the US in what.. Jan or Feb of 2012? I got mine in May 2012 and some on the west coast got theirs months before mine arrived.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nextcar

But isn't this being built on Toyota's TNG platform? I am somewhat confused by this all, since this would imply to me that although the production of the body may still be done by Subaru, wouldn't all the prototypes be done by Toyota?

Or does Toyota simply turn over all the design documents and models for the TNG platform to Subaru and let them build prototypes...

We have no idea what platform it will be built on.

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by nextcar

< snip > I would not consider Porsche, Ferrari, or any of the British sports car manufacturers to have a "broad range of offerings" including family cars, trucks, etc.< snip >

You need to stop typing, you're just digging a deeper hole. G.M. was created when William C. Durant brought a group of car company's together. In the beginning each was left to build their own products. However, over time they all fell under the G.M. umbrella and corporate structure. Same thing happened in Britain. British Motor Holdings had a plethora of British automotive marques. They became one manufacturer incorporating sports cars like, MGB, MG Midget / Austin-Healey Sprite, Austin Healey 3000 and Jaguar sports cars. Plus Jaguar saloons (family sedans) as well as Daimlers, Coventry Climax industrial engines and Guy trucks. Later BMH merged with British Leyland to add Triumph, Rover, Austin, Land Rover and BL Trucks and Buses.
Now, you can't get more "broad ranged" then that, eh?

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Stephen W.

You need to stop typing, you're just digging a deeper hole. G.M. was created when William C. Durant brought a group of car company's together. In the beginning each was left to build their own products. However, over time they all fell under the G.M. umbrella and corporate structure. Same thing happened in Britain. British Motor Holdings had a plethora of British automotive marques. They became one manufacturer incorporating sports cars like, MGB, MG Midget / Austin-Healey Sprite, Austin Healey 3000 and Jaguar sports cars. Plus Jaguar saloons (family sedans) as well as Daimlers, Coventry Climax industrial engines and Guy trucks. Later BMH merged with British Leyland to add Triumph, Rover, Austin, Land Rover and BL Trucks and Buses.
Now, you can't get more "broad ranged" then that, eh?

Fair statement: I know nothing of British automobile corporate structure.

Oops! I typed that.

BTW - Perhaps your response is the counterpoint to @Dadhawks 's proposition that GM was the only broad range car manufacturer that has had a commitment to sports cars over the last 50 years...

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have no idea what platform it will be built on.

Really? I thought it was announced that the next gen was moving to the Toyota TNG platform?

Upon a quick search this seems to have started with a "unnamed source" at Subaru talking to Motor1...

Oh well. Now I know even less than I thought about the next gen.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Really? I thought it was announced that the next gen was moving to the Toyota TNG platform?

I think most of the click bait articles use wording such as "likely based on".

There has been no press release from either company with that info as far as I can recall so to say that it was "announced" is not true.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I think most of the click bait articles use wording such as "likely based on".

There has been no press release from either company with that info as far as I can recall so to say that it was "announced" is not true.

More than one say "will" along with "Turbo". They enjoy their fiction.