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Old 04-23-2021, 09:42 AM   #29
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Anything above 200g/km(WLTP) would kill it in Europe if the 2400cc don't do it.
Let's wait the official announcements. They are trying to homologate it currently.
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you can try to extrapolate the co2 emissions and fuel economy stuff from the FA24 in the Subaru Ascent.

The problem is that since its turbocharged and makes 260hp the numbers could still be way off if someone managed to get the theoreticals off it.
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you can try to extrapolate the co2 emissions and fuel economy stuff from the FA24 in the Subaru Ascent.

The problem is that since its turbocharged and makes 260hp the numbers could still be way off if someone managed to get the theoreticals off it.

And it pulls a much heavier car
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Old 04-25-2021, 10:46 AM   #32
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you can try to extrapolate the co2 emissions and fuel economy stuff from the FA24 in the Subaru Ascent.

The problem is that since its turbocharged and makes 260hp the numbers could still be way off if someone managed to get the theoreticals off it.
I don't think you would be able to extrapolate (based on HP), its a different kettle of horses.
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Old 04-25-2021, 03:18 PM   #33
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I would expect the CO2 to be similar to the current car, and based on that I wonder whether they're even going to bother trying to sell the car in most of the EU.
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Old 04-25-2021, 06:20 PM   #34
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We all suspect CO2 emissions will be higher compared to current FA20 engine but by how much? that's the question!

No information so far on this CO2 topic...even in the brochure issued by Subaru Japan (I do not speak japanese but in the page on tech spec I see no number concerning CO2).

https://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/

As the new BRZ is supposed to be launched commercially in US, Australia and Canada by the end of this year I was wondering if some information was already available in these countries?
I don't know about Australia, but in north america no one gives a fuuuuuuuuck about CO2 emissions: People buy pickups and SUVs as a point of vanity and they can barely be bothered to care about the actual fuel economy, nevermind what comes out of the back! What goes on behind the car is for losers!

So no, that info isn't on the spec sheets lol.

It would be surprising if it's emissions exceeded the current Outback 2.5 (glanced from their UK site) at 193g: A slightly bigger engine with a less refined injection system pulling a much heavier car.
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Don't you have MPG information in spec sheets?
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I don't know about Australia, but in north america no one gives a fuuuuuuuuck about CO2 emissions: People buy pickups and SUVs as a point of vanity and they can barely be bothered to care about the actual fuel economy, nevermind what comes out of the back! What goes on behind the car is for losers!

So no, that info isn't on the spec sheets lol.

It would be surprising if it's emissions exceeded the current Outback 2.5 (glanced from their UK site) at 193g: A slightly bigger engine with a less refined injection system pulling a much heavier car.
The outback does 195 on the new test cycle. But it's an auto, which is typically quite favourable to MPG testing in the EU, since they tend to keep the car in a higher gear.

The old 86 did 191 grams per km, since the new one uses similar tech, is heavier and has a 20% larger engine, I'd expect it to be similar at best.
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The old 86 did 191 grams per km, since the new one uses similar tech, is heavier and has a 20% larger engine, I'd expect it to be similar at best.
I would say that it will be greater than 200 g/km. There is a reason sports car segment is shrinking in Europe and specific regulations on emissions mean that manufacturers are unable to build a viable business case. For example, Subaru BRZ won't come at all (future of WRX and/or WRX STI is also unclear) and same holds for other cars like the Nissan 400Z.
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I don't know about Australia, but in north america no one gives a fuuuuuuuuck about CO2 emissions:
Similar in Australia. Fuel economy is widely reported, but not really CO2. I’m sure you can find the data somewhere, but it isn’t something focused on, and is never mentioned in reviews (by contrast, EU and UK reviews always mention CO2 since taxes are dependent on it).
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I don't know about Australia, but in north america no one gives a fuuuuuuuuck about CO2 emissions: People buy pickups and SUVs as a point of vanity and they can barely be bothered to care about the actual fuel economy, nevermind what comes out of the back! What goes on behind the car is for losers!

So no, that info isn't on the spec sheets lol.

It would be surprising if it's emissions exceeded the current Outback 2.5 (glanced from their UK site) at 193g: A slightly bigger engine with a less refined injection system pulling a much heavier car.
People are starting to care, Honda has had the CO2 emissions plastered on the select model page for a while now.
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I would say that it will be greater than 200 g/km. There is a reason sports car segment is shrinking in Europe and specific regulations on emissions mean that manufacturers are unable to build a viable business case. For example, Subaru BRZ won't come at all (future of WRX and/or WRX STI is also unclear) and same holds for other cars like the Nissan 400Z.
I think -especially with the increase in power the 2.4L brings- that there might be a market for a less powerful twin with the 1.8T from a Subaru Levorg, with a tad under 200hp and lower CO2 emissions. Not sure I'd count on it happening though, as this engine might be just as expensive to produce.
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I think -especially with the increase in power the 2.4L brings- that there might be a market for a less powerful twin with the 1.8T from a Subaru Levorg, with a tad under 200hp and lower CO2 emissions. Not sure I'd count on it happening though, as this engine might be just as expensive to produce.
It would be a really nice option, but it looks that customer market is too small and competition by German manufacturers too stiff. Levorg was for Subaru a also failure in Europe.
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Well the Levorg was only available with a 180hp petrol engine, a CVT and 4wd, for the price of a German competitor. Subaru set themselves up for a good failure ! :-)

Coming back to the topic, has there been a real confirmation that Toyota will sell the GR86 in Europe? I've looked here and there, but it mostly seemed they neither confirmed nor denied we'll get it.

With no one to share homologation costs with, and only a 2.4 nat asp engine, I have a hard time believing it will be available here.
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