Second gen 86 to have 4 hp more than BRZ

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

It says right here in this picture - both GR86 and BRZ have identical specs. And we know that the US BRZ gets 228. So it implies that there is a market somewhere (Japanese, let's say) that both these cars get 232.
Also, that most likely means that both the 86 and BRZ in the good ol' US of A get 228.

The news release that shows the 232 in both the BRZ and 86 is Global not Japan only. https://global.toyota/en/newsroom
The 228 posted by Subaru is most likely simply an error due to their early info release. There is little sense financial in making the changes required between the two to have a 4HP increase even for different markets.

[wbradley]

Last year I disposed of a lawn mower that had a perfectly operating Briggs and Stratton 6 hp motor. So, what you are all chattering about is not quite even that? Sheeesh.

Penny wise, pound fuelish.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

Totally agree than anything on the 'internet' needs to be taken with a grain of salt, particularly jalopnik. What's interesting about this story is how many other news sites are carrying it and referencing the news having come from Toyota -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/othe...id=mailsignout

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40055/...and-more-speed

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...r-86-revealed/

https://www.motor1.com/news/498782/2...-gr-86-reveal/

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ew-photos-info

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/s...-toyota-gr-86/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...h=59051fd91786

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...parts-for-brz/

If it's 'fake news', then an awful lot of news organizations seem to be falling for it.

Then of course there's this, the actual news release directly from Toyota -

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/34997138.html

Which matches what everyone else has picked up on. So, in this case, it doesn't seem like 'fake news'.

It seems totally logical that the specs for the GR86 and BRZ will be identical. It's hard to imagine how the same engine would have two different outputs in the same market (and how the companies would agree to that). Maybe the Japanese home market version will have a slightly different tune than the export cars, so that Japanese buyers can feel like they got the 'better' version.

"But one source, however, suggests the U.S.-spec coupe will get 228-hp, the same as the new BRZ"

That "source" could very well be here! Once one of these sites says something the rest run with it.
The Toyota info does not say that the BRZ will have less it simply says that the 86 will be 232. They didn't tune the cars different for any of the versions of the first gen and I can not see ant reason why they would all of a sudden do it now.

The much more likely scenario is that in the many months since the BRZ was announced they either found 4 more HP or used a different set of test results to up the rated number.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The news release that shows the 232 in both the BRZ and 86 is Global not Japan only. https://global.toyota/en/newsroom
The 228 posted by Subaru is most likely simply an error due to their early info release. There is little sense financial in making the changes required between the two to have a 4HP increase even for different markets.

subaru.jp website gives the same 232 figure. The US webpage however shows 228.
I don't see anything unusual about a global company webpage writing an article about a certain limited market.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Last year I disposed of a lawn mower that had a perfectly operating Briggs and Stratton 6 hp motor. So, what you are all chattering about is not quite even that? Sheeesh.

Penny wise, pound fuelish.

Yep!
The 228 number is a whopping 10.5% increase over the 2017 to 2020s
The 232 is a mega 12% increase.
People are reacting as if it all of a sudden has become a Mustang killer.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

subaru.jp website gives the same 232 figure. The US webpage however shows 228.
I don't see anything unusual about a global company webpage writing an article about a certain limited market.

A global release is not going to give individual market numbers. That is what makes it Global!
Subaru USA just hasn't updated their page yet. Probably because they just don't care.

[Lantanafrs2]

Depends on who is running the dyno

[Lantanafrs2]

The torque curve will make it feel much faster than the previous generation. Much like an e85 tune does

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

A global release is not going to give individual market numbers. That is what makes it Global!
Subaru USA just hasn't updated their page yet. Probably because they just don't care.

It takes times to get used to your trolling

[Sasquachulator]

My scion im has 137hp from its 2ZR-FAE motor, while the Corolla Eco trim of the last generation made 140hp from the same engine.....

WHERE DID MY 3 HP GO??? I AM FURIOUS!!!!

MY CAR IS ALREADY SUPER DUPER DANGEROUS TO DRIVE BECAUSE OF HOW SLOW IT IS I NEED THAT EXTRA 3 HP!! EVERY HP HELPS!!!


Its not unusual to have different ratings in different markets due to reasons.
Both the US and the JDM specs are probably right.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

It takes times to get used to your trolling

Not trolling. I just strongly believe that it will be the same spec.
The info from Subaru NA has been know to be wrong before.

[Purist]

Given how excited everyone is about 3hp, I can now understand the market for intake tubes and cold air intakes.

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its not unusual to have different ratings in different markets due to reasons.
Both the US and the JDM specs are probably right.

I would buy that if it had applied to the first gen but the ratings were the same across the board (except for the facelifted MTs in Europe that didn't get the improvements) so why change that now?
I think people are reading what they want into things and we won't know the actual reality for a bit yet.

[pallen]

+4 HP??

Turbo option confirmed.