Honda considering an S2000 successor - report

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

I have a hard time trusting any article that references Fast and Furious multiple times and gets the horsepower rating of the original car wrong.

Yep! And it wasn't even a primary car in F&F.

[NWFRS]

Releasing another sporty economy hatch > designing a new S2000. -a source close to Honda

[PulsarBeeerz]

I remember this rumor last year.

[serialk11r]

There are ways to make a turbo engine a little more NA-like, if it comes down to it (reduce boost, increase revs). California smog techs won't be able to tell if you change or modify the impellers in the stock housing. You could machine the compressor wheel on a lathe to reduce the pressure at any given speed, machine the housing to match the larger outlet, and reprogram the electronic waste gate (or put in a bigger turbine for better efficiency).

Of course, is Honda going to actually make a sports car... I'm not holding my breath.

[WolfpackS2k]

I kind of stopped caring for Honda to release another generation of S2000. Their products are so hideous and have gotten so heavy - I have a really hard time believing I'd be interested. Nevermind how expensive everything has gotten. Honda wouldn't release an S2000 that was inferior in performance/power levels to the CTR, and a CTR is currently $35k-40k...so any S2000 would be $50k+, which is very sad because all I want is a Honda version of the BRZ, lol.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Honda couldn't release an S2000 that was inferior in performance/power levels to the CTR, and a CTR is currently $35k-40k...so any S2000 would be $50k+, which is very sad because all I want is a Honda version of the BRZ, lol.

The S2000 wasn't in that market back then either. It cost around $32,000 at 2000, while a Miata of the same year cost $23,000. Inflation adjusted the S2000 would be $50,000 today.

I highly doubt Honda will develop an new S2000 unless they can find a partner to share development costs with. More and more manufacturers partner on niche cars. Even Mazda shared with FCA on the Miata.

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have never met an engineer that I thought had a soul. Figured they all sold them and that is how they became engineers!

Even the bean counters are not to blame. The buying public is! The company will make what sells. They don't randomly decide to drop models or levels but put a pile of time and money into determining what will keep the company afloat. A tiny portion of the buying public that want a certain car just are not enough to keep producing it. They simply are not a charity that can continue to built whatever they are passionate about.

Maybe 'engineer' isn't the best term. Simply, car guys vs bean counters. Just like the title of Bob Lutz's great book.

I've met far more engineers and scientists with souls and just passion for cars than bean counters. It's a mindset, a way of thinking. Pure financial types think in terms of profit and loss, and how to maximize the former. Car guys (and gals) think of maximizing fun, making something the best it can be (with the resources available).

Soichiro Honda was the ultimate car guy, and engineer. I don't think there's anyone even remotely close to him at Honda these days.

[DarkSideFRS]

i hope they make it and show toyobaru what a real sports car looks like..

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

i hope they make it and show toyobaru what a real sports car looks like..

$30k vs $50k car, not even in the same lane... Also the new NSXs appearance doesnt support them knowing how a sports car should look.lol

[TommyW]

Never happen. Just not Honda’s bag anymore. They’ve been rumored to do a new one for a long time.

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

$30k vs $50k car, not even in the same lane... Also the new NSXs appearance doesnt support them knowing how a sports car should look.lol

new NSX is awesome.. but overpriced for sure

new BRZ starts in low $30s and would prob go up to mid $30s... at that price, why pay for an underpowered (and potentially issue filled car.. i mean, it's a subaru motor after all) car when u can spend a tad bit more to get a civic type R with a bulletproff motor and better overall performance? the new s2k would prob be in the low $40s... doubt it would go near $50k

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

.. i mean, it's a subaru motor after all) car when u can spend a tad bit more to get a civic type R with a bulletproff motor and better overall performance?

You mean the sedan with FWD?

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

The S2000 wasn't in that market back then either. It cost around $32,000 at 2000, while a Miata of the same year cost $23,000. Inflation adjusted the S2000 would be $50,000 today.

I highly doubt Honda will develop an new S2000 unless they can find a partner to share development costs with. More and more manufacturers partner on niche cars. Even Mazda shared with FCA on the Miata.

Their partnership with GM seems to be strengthening, and using an alpha platform as basis or C8 wouldn’t be a bad idea.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

new NSX is awesome.. but overpriced for sure

new BRZ starts in low $30s and would prob go up to mid $30s... at that price, why pay for an underpowered (and potentially issue filled car.. i mean, it's a subaru motor after all) car when u can spend a tad bit more to get a civic type R with a bulletproff motor and better overall performance? the new s2k would prob be in the low $40s... doubt it would go near $50k

Fwd vs Rwd driving dynamics are pretty important to some people, you know a Miata RF is the same price with 180hp and closer in category right? Why'd you even mention a CTR? If we are doing that you can get an Accord sport with the same engine, better looking and way more comfortable. That 10spd can make a CTR sweat.lol



Anyway, a S2000 would be a $45k in today's money. That's before they have to add all the modern safety and comfort features that are government regulated and expected of today's buyers. Then try to keep it under 2900lbs and make it all in house. No sir, that is easily a $50k+ sports car.