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Old 06-02-2021, 05:44 PM   #1
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Compatible parts from 1st gen to 2nd gen? Good idea?

Hey guys, I'm really digging this new GT86 2022 edition! I may consider trading in my FRS for one. Does anyone know if certain parts are interchangeable between the generations? I'd hate to lose out on a lot of expensive parts like carbon fiber driveshaft, full cat-back exhaust, rims, etc.

What are your guys' take on that? If you could trade in your car and convert some of your old performance/cosmetic parts over to the new gen, would you do it?
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come on yo, pretty much no one outside japan has driven it let alone start taking it apart. but considering it is pretty much the exact car but with a heavy refresh, think we've all assumed the same things..

cosmetic definitely not, unless we're talking about rain guards perhaps..

looking at how similar the engine bay is, maybe some drivetrain/exhaust stuff could be carried over.

wheels are perhaps the only thing, hard to imagine them changing it away from 5x100..
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You'll be surprised how many parts will be swappable in the current gen.

...also you'll be surprised some parts won't be swappable in the current gen.
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I actually wouldn't mind going the other way either...like dropping in the 2.4L boxer for the 2.0L. ...when the engine blows ofcourse! That would probably drop right in with little modifcation!
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I actually wouldn't mind going the other way either...like dropping in the 2.4L boxer for the 2.0L. ...when the engine blows ofcourse! That would probably drop right in with little modifcation!
Would need far more work than you would think. They are similar not the same.
You are years and years away form getting the new engine for any sort of reasonable price anyway
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I bet quite a few parts will swap over:

Wheels
Strut bars
Cat backs
Lowering springs
Maybe shocks?
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I don't expect the aftermarket to be exactly the same as it was for gen 1. In terms of turbos and superchargers, demand might be somewhat less due to the car now having adequate horsepower out of the box to do a hard launch in the 5s range, putting it in line with an STI which auto journalists will acknowledge. Of course there will be some demand, but I don't think the car will be judged as underpowered or not meeting its potential anymore. The new FI goal for the mainstream ambitious but not wreckless, will be well above 300 HP, which required swapping injectors in gen 1, thereby resulting in tunes in the 240 -280 HP being most typical.
I'd say buy the performance package from the get go unless your ambitions far exceed that for track use. If you're invested in upgrading the performance on your gen1, then a gen 2 isn't going to massively outperform it with swapped parts.

I wonder how many years in they plan to implement an electric power assist? Maybe not if low weight is defining for this vehicle. Looking ahead, although not an almighty Ferrari or Aston Martin V12, a 2.4L displacement ICE will become either a luxury novelty, a product sold only in unregulated countries or out of production in a decade or so. So, either this could be the end of the line for this type of vehicle or there is a plan to implement some form of electric assist for the future.
I'd like an electric S-FR in lime green please.
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I don't expect the aftermarket to be exactly the same as it was for gen 1. In terms of turbos and superchargers, demand might be somewhat less due to the car now having adequate horsepower out of the box to do a hard launch in the 5s range, putting it in line with an STI which auto journalists will acknowledge. Of course there will be some demand, but I don't think the car will be judged as underpowered or not meeting its potential anymore. The new FI goal for the mainstream ambitious but not wreckless, will be well above 300 HP, which required swapping injectors in gen 1, thereby resulting in tunes in the 240 -280 HP being most typical.
I'd say buy the performance package from the get go unless your ambitions far exceed that for track use. If you're invested in upgrading the performance on your gen1, then a gen 2 isn't going to massively outperform it with swapped parts.

I wonder how many years in they plan to implement an electric power assist? Maybe not if low weight is defining for this vehicle. Looking ahead, although not an almighty Ferrari or Aston Martin V12, a 2.4L displacement ICE will become either a luxury novelty, a product sold only in unregulated countries or out of production in a decade or so. So, either this could be the end of the line for this type of vehicle or there is a plan to implement some form of electric assist for the future.
I'd like an electric S-FR in lime green please.
Ha, that interesting you say that. I always wondered what a Tesla motor would do in one of these chassis. I bet it would be a Rocket! 🚀 But they're still so darn heavy with the batteries so it probably wouldn't corner as well.
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Ha, that interesting you say that. I always wondered what a Tesla motor would do in one of these chassis. I bet it would be a Rocket! 🚀 But they're still so darn heavy with the batteries so it probably wouldn't corner as well.
Better to stick with Lotus for something in that cost bracket. At least the vehicle itself is ultra low weight before electrification.

It would be nice to be able to see this as easily doable within not to many years though.

Toyota S-FR is no doubt pretty light.
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It would be nice to be able to see this as easily doable within not to many years though.
Unless there is a change in battery tech, I don't see this becoming a thing if you want any type of practical range. To run a couple of laps maybe, but as a DD there is no place to put the batteries that won't mess up the CG and/or eliminate all your storage space. It might be practical in a body on frame older car or a truck, since you could design and replace the sled, but doesn't seem practical in a unibody.

Battery packs in EVs are low for a reason.
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Unless there is a change in battery tech, I don't see this becoming a thing if you want any type of practical range. To run a couple of laps maybe, but as a DD there is no place to put the batteries that won't mess up the CG and/or eliminate all your storage space. It might be practical in a body on frame older car or a truck, since you could design and replace the sled, but doesn't seem practical in a unibody.

Battery packs in EVs are low for a reason.
Nobody said they'd use identical floorpans. And COG would improve with electrification if the battery pack is the floor as Tesla does it. Solid state battery tech can potentially allow a more optimal shape for batteries, just as fuel tanks are shaped to accommodate the vehicle vs vise versa.

Somebody should be scrambling to develop performance electric drive systems for mid market. I suppose the funding will come from the upscale sales. Maybe an all electric sport coupe similar to the Lotus Tesla but a bit more Lexus or Toyota. The tech needs to reach a point that it can make a margin and as electrification absorbs more of the market the cost of producing an electric drive train should reach optimization. Finite alkali metal availability and clean power generation needs to progress.
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Ha, that interesting you say that. I always wondered what a Tesla motor would do in one of these chassis. I bet it would be a Rocket! �� But they're still so darn heavy with the batteries so it probably wouldn't corner as well.
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Hey guys, I'm really digging this new GT86 2022 edition! I may consider trading in my FRS for one. Does anyone know if certain parts are interchangeable between the generations? I'd hate to lose out on a lot of expensive parts like carbon fiber driveshaft, full cat-back exhaust, rims, etc.

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The exhaust looks like it might be backwards compatible. I have the TRD exhaust on my current 86 and I'm considering buying the GR 86, and if the TRD exhaust can be transplanted over that will sway me towards buying it.
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