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Old 01-06-2022, 03:33 PM   #1
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Suspension advice before I spend my money

Im running stock suspension but plan to get BC Racing coils (Extreme Low) with the swift spring upgrade and Rays Gram Lights 57DR 17x9 38+ with 245/240 Falken Azenis FK510. For the coils is 8k spring rate good or should I go higher/lower? I already know I might need extended lugs and spacers for the rear. Would dropping the car 1.5-2 be overkill and cause rubbing? What else would be needed for perfect fitment? Ive checked FI gallery to see comparisons but it seems it varies with fitment.
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Standard questions. What are you doing with the car? Tracking? Street car? Why BC? What other supporting mods?

8k is pretty stiff. Even on track most people run 6-7kg w/200tw tire.
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Standard questions. What are you doing with the car? Tracking? Street car? Why BC? What other supporting mods?

8k is pretty stiff. Even on track most people run 6-7kg w/200tw tire.
Well I’m using the car as my daily so for purpose I’d say it’d be a street car I have no intentions for tacking my car..as of now at least. My first choice for coils were Tein Flex Z but with BC u have more adjustability, they’re rebuildable and a lifetime warranty knocks it out the park for me plus I like the black colorway vs the green :P. And with the ride quality I’d want something close or better than factory ride quality. What needs to be done?
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Well Im using the car as my daily so for purpose Id say itd be a street car I have no intentions for tacking my car..as of now at least. My first choice for coils were Tein Flex Z but with BC u have more adjustability, theyre rebuildable and a lifetime warranty knocks it out the park for me plus I like the black colorway vs the green :P. And with the ride quality Id want something close or better than factory ride quality. What needs to be done?
You could always do RCE Yellows with the Bilstein B6 or B8.
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You could always do RCE Yellows with the Bilstein B6 or B8.
Everyone keeps recommending springs but wouldnt that only limit me to a fitment. Do you have experience with those specific springs, if so how do they ride?
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Everyone keeps recommending springs but wouldnt that only limit me to a fitment. Do you have experience with those specific springs, if so how do they ride?
I haven't run the Yellow's but even if I had it has been so long since I have been on coilovers I wouldn't remember how they have ridden.

Yes, they will limit fit a bit.

If you think coils are the way to go you can look at the ST's, they are made by KW. Ride is pretty good.

Another options would be CSG spec Flex A or the RCE SS1 and both are track/autoX capable.
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Well Im using the car as my daily so for purpose Id say itd be a street car I have no intentions for tacking my car..as of now at least. My first choice for coils were Tein Flex Z but with BC u have more adjustability, theyre rebuildable and a lifetime warranty knocks it out the park for me plus I like the black colorway vs the green :P. And with the ride quality Id want something close or better than factory ride quality. What needs to be done?
Use Bilstein B6 instead of coils. Your springs are too stiff so something softer. Street suspension is pretty simple.
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What I wish I'd known before changing my suspension:

Lowering will change rear camber and toe and wear out tyres.

Changes in the geometry will also change bump steer characteristics, and straight line stability.

I don't have the skill level to make meaningful adjustments to my dampers.

The BRZ is one of the best handling cars ever built (handling, not grip). It is highly unlikely that you will end up with a better set up by opting for a 'race' package, unless of course you go racing...

My advice would be to find a package with as close to OEM springs and dampers, but lowered, and to budget for adjustable LCAs and toe links and set up your car as close to OEM alignment as possible.

My daughter's 2001 Corolla is more fun on back roads than my track oriented BRZ on street tyres. Think about that...

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What I wish I'd known before changing my suspension:

Lowering will change rear camber and toe and wear out tyres.

Changes in the geometry will also change bump steer characteristics, and straight line stability.

I don't have the skill level to make meaningful adjustments to my dampers.

The BRZ is one of the best handling cars ever built (handling, not grip). It is highly unlikely that you will end up with a better set up by opting for a 'race' package, unless of course you go racing...

My advice would be to find a package with as close to OEM springs and dampers, but lowered, and to budget for adjustable LCAs and toe links and set up your car as close to OEM alignment as possible.

My daughter's 2001 Corolla is more fun on back roads than my track oriented BRZ on street tyres. Think about that...

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Damper adjustment is overrated. Most people don't know anything about messing with them. I remember when I was getting my suspension revalved back in the day for my MX bike. The suspension guys asked me about my settings and what I prefered and after inadequately answering their questions they suggested I go turn each damper adjustment fully one way, and fully the other until I understood what change was happening. When I understood then call them back

My BRZ is pretty ruined for street driving too lol.
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What I wish I'd known before changing my suspension:

Lowering will change rear camber and toe and wear out tyres.

Changes in the geometry will also change bump steer characteristics, and straight line stability.

I don't have the skill level to make meaningful adjustments to my dampers.

The BRZ is one of the best handling cars ever built (handling, not grip). It is highly unlikely that you will end up with a better set up by opting for a 'race' package, unless of course you go racing...

My advice would be to find a package with as close to OEM springs and dampers, but lowered, and to budget for adjustable LCAs and toe links and set up your car as close to OEM alignment as possible.

My daughter's 2001 Corolla is more fun on back roads than my track oriented BRZ on street tyres. Think about that...

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So your saying to save my money and to just buy springs since Id basically be getting the same affect with coils. But could I still achieve a perfect flush fitment with springs as I know Id have to dial in camber in the front and rear and more than likely run spacers in the rear.
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To clear up what my goals are these are what’s most important for my build.
1. Perfect or damn near flush fitment with a 17x9 38 245/240 setup with no rubbing/scraping. I still wanna clear speed bumps and driveways at an incline
2. Smoother or close to stock ride comfortably
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So your saying to save my money and to just buy springs since Id basically be getting the same affect with coils. But could I still achieve a perfect flush fitment with springs as I know Id have to dial in camber in the front and rear and more than likely run spacers in the rear.
We are saying get something like Yellows + B6/B8's for what you want. Maybe go with a different wheel spec to make sure you have enough clearance.

17X9 +38 57DR's will be tight with a 245 tire and I can't guarantee it would fit. With this same setup with H&R springs on stock struts I had around a 1/4 inch of clearance between the tire and spring perch. You could always run a 5mm spacer to get more clearance.

Here is a thread comparing Yellows + B6/B8's with Flex A's.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show....php?p=3412277
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I'd consider lowering springs, keeping the 225 tyres and increasing the offset of the wheels to get your flush fit. A flush 225 looks good on these cars, filling out the guard makes it look much fatter.

Plus you retain the powerslidability that makes these cars so much fun.

If spacers are legal where you are then I'm sure you could get custom ones machined to get the exact offset and get longer studs.

In Australia, spacers are illegal so I got my wheels machined to the exact offset I want (to the mm)

Wait and see what the rest of the community say but I'd highly recommend investigating this path a bit more. You could end up with a great looking car that handles great for less than you planned.



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RCE Yellows on stock struts were pretty good for me.
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