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two 23' Base MT from a previous allocation remaining; Trade 0712917 53198 - Toyota Lachute ZNBB6M - GR86 MT AM - GR86 MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-20 2022-08-26 No Lachute Quebec Trade 0712916 53203 - Boulevard Toyota ZNBB6M - GR86 MT AM - GR86 MT/Black 0D4S - Raven 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-20 2022-08-26 No Quebec Quebec One 23' Base Auto Trade 0712923 24015 - Taylor Lexus Toyota Taylor Lexus ZNBC6T - GR86 AT AA - GR86 AT (Premium Paint)/Black 0K1X - Halo 00 STOCK Open 2022-07-26 2022-07-30 No Regina Saskatchewan The Premium MT, halo, in quebec still showing as available but this dealer is difficult (apparently) Trade 0712941 53167 - Boucherville Toyota ZNBE6M - GR86 Premium MT AM - GR86 Premium MT/Black 0DAR - Neptune 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-20 2022-08-26 No Boucherville Quebe And still one previous allocated Premium AT Trade 0712955 42379 - Kingston Toyota ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AM - GR86 Premium AT/Black 0WCH - TRUENO Blue 00 STOCK Open 2022-08-20 2022-08-26 No Kingston Ontario There have not been any new stock allocations for 23' in July, so far... A few 22' models are remaining ON GROUND at dealers, Base MT Trade 0703481 53191 - Woodland Toyota ZNBB6M - GR86 MT AM - GR86 MT/Black 0G1U - Steel 00 STOCK Open 2022-06-27 2022-06-27 No Verdun Quebec Base AT Trade 0703489 01148 - OpenRoad Toyota-Peace Arch ZNBC6T - GR86 AT AA - GR86 AT (Premium Paint)/Black 0DCK - Track bRed 00 STOCK Open 2022-07-08 2022-07-08 Yes Surrey British Columbia No Premium MT Premium AT Trade 0703444 14099 - Toyota Northwest Edmonton ZNBF6T - GR86 Premium AT AA - GR86 Premium AT (Premium Paint)/Black 0K1X - Halo 00 STOCK Open 2022-07-07 2022-07-07 No Edmonton Alberta As well it doesn't appear like any Special Editions were allocated yet. I'm hoping to make a VIN list of all 20 Canadian Units... |
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@Rustyoid, I would appreciate your take on a conversation I had with a dealership sales manager yesterday, who admitted that their dealership cannot place orders for the GR86, they just get what stock Toyota chooses to allocate to them, and can only trade with other dealers to try to meet a customer's specs. When I asked if I could make a deposit over the phone he said I needed to come in and sign a sales contract because Toyota had tightened up ordering rules as dealers having difficulties getting cars they wanted to sell had been submitting phony orders in order to get stock, and now Toyota wants to see real orders before shipping vehicles. Asked under what conditions a deposit would be refundable, he said it would be refunded if they are not able to deliver to me the GR colour/trim/transmission I specify in the order within a mutually agreed upon time frame.
The problem with that of course is that unless you are willing to kiss your deposit goodbye, it ties you to that one dealer when trying to find a car, as you have no way of getting that deposit returned as long as they find a car for you within the time frame specified in the contract. And the rationale the manager gave for this may make sense for other models that can be ordered by the dealership from Toyota, but as the GR86 can't be it makes absolutely no sense at all for that car - whatever orders the dealership has signed with customers have no impact on what 86s are allocated to the dealer and Toyota would presumably have no interest in seeing them. Is this manager trying to pull a fast one on me, or are the conditions he's specified for the deposit being refunded legitimate and SOP? |
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We are in a similar situation with all models. We want to make sure our vehicles are staying in our market and going to real customers so we do not just take deposits like a free for all. I've said this before regarding deposits and markup in Canada. The "sales contract" is only legally binding if there is a VIN number on the contract. A dealer CANNOT legally keep your deposit in Canada if they did not specify a VIN. At the same time, they can legally change the selling price to whatever they feel, if there was not a VIN on your sales contract. Dealers often use the non-refundable to keep tire kickers and such away. But it is simply not true. |
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I know getting on the list in April is kinda messed up, but GR86 was not actually in my plan. I paid the dealer 1000 for reserving a spot for the GR Corolla. I went to the dealer and picked up my new daily driver this April and had a chance to have a conversation with the general manager regarding the gr corolla. I told the general manager that I got my money not the GR corolla and wondered when the car could show up. He got back to me and said the dealer would only get one gr corolla for 2023 and not sure if they could get another one for the rest of production years. He got my 1000 bucks refunded, put my name on the 86 waitlist and promised me to sell at MSRP. (I trust him that he will sell at MSRP as a long time customer, he's a cool guy to talk to) |
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Just thought that was interesting after the refundable deposit discussions... |
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The problem with the word "order" is that many dealers use that term and it implies that they are getting a specific car made for the customer. Even companies that do send in "Orders" are probably just placing a hold on an allotment car. Nobody is making cars to order. Well not in the 86 price range at any rate.
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This sounds silly at first, but This way the dealer is able to process it as a true trade in and OP will save the taxes on the trade in value.
If they simply sold the vehicle to the dealer and OP took the equity in cash while waiting for the vehicle, then use the cash as a downpayment, they would not get the tax benefit. |
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This is a Canadian thread so you must have great insight for us. Oh wait...
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In fact, when I did it, even including the amount I would have saved on sales tax did not make up for that difference. Even if he didn't want to put another mile on it, he would be better off (IMHO) leaving it in his garage until his car came in. |
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Actually, you should have said when you get a new car in Canada don't hand the dealer your Gen 2 as a down payment/deposit. And don't worry - I won't. I won't even do it in the U.S. (at least not before I actually have the new car). Nice try, though!
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